Canadian Coyote Predator Control - Rant Thread!

[Mike Lum]

Thought long and hard about posting this thread... hopefully some of you folks in the States can appreciate what you still have and fight to protect it!

1. No Silencers allowed. Though the majority of Canadian law comes from pre existing British law where it is unlawful to shoot within a few hundred yards of people WITHOUT a suppressor, here in Canada they are banned outright.

2. No Night hunting allowed.. 30 minutes before dawn and 30 past dusk that's all you get.

3. No AR's... self explanatory.

4. E-Caller kiddies.. get a E-Caller and blare it for 2 hours non stop. Full volume, playing every default call on the unit to educate the coyotes on every sound. (I know you Americans feel this one too).

What does all that combine for? Coyotes that are educated enough to only move at night when the law prohibits you from dealing with predator control on your farm.
The E-caller problem has gotten so bad you can have a bait pile out and undisturbed for a month and if you take an e-caller out and sound it for even one minute you won't see a single coyote for 3 days on cameras that were showing 4-5 coming in every day before.

See a coyote sitting in the field off the road... they get up and run when the vehicle slows down even if they are 400 yards out. No chance to get out of the vehicle to set up and shoot them legally. They've been shot at so many times out the truck window (even though not legal) by folks that have missed and educated them on that too.

Really struggling out here this year. I don't want to snare or trap because so many neighbors have lost dogs to the colony's snaring, I prefer the positive target identification shooting requires.

Like I said earlier.. enjoy what you've got while you can, need to stay vigilant and make sure gov regulations and gun grabbers don't destroy your fun out there like they are doing to us here.

I'm sure some of you out there will have no trouble adding to the list!

 

[JB10]

I wish more Americans could realize what is going on here. Not just guns and hunting. There are things that they will take away from us little by little. I heard a story years ago comparing humans to wild pigs. Put out a grain feeder and get them to come in. Little by little as a fence is being built around the feeder pigs get cautious, but free food is too hard to give up. Over time fince is done and gate is up. Once done and pigs are in place gate closes, now what. They are done. Governments are taking away right little by little for our own good instead of fixing the actual problems. Actually punnish the criminals and see what happens to crime.

 

[snert]

I liken the current Canuck government to a dystopian Disney film where the 12 and 13 year old brother and sister suddenly, due to fairy dust magic, become the parents and the parents become the children. Lot's of stupid new rules based entirely on passion and no sense whatsoever.

Hey, wait, is Newsome from Canada?!?!

 

[1lessdog]

I shot three of them off the hood of my pickup on Friday. All shot off the road and is legal to do. In fact you can shoot them out the window of your vehicle as long as its not moving or on a State or Federal highway it is not legal. Now I'm talking about hunting N.D.

 

[Plumsask]

Thought long and hard about posting this thread... hopefully some of you folks in the States can appreciate what you still have and fight to protect it!

1. No Silencers allowed. Though the majority of Canadian law comes from pre existing British law where it is unlawful to shoot within a few hundred yards of people WITHOUT a suppressor, here in Canada they are banned outright.

2. No Night hunting allowed.. 30 minutes before dawn and 30 past dusk that's all you get.

3. No AR's... self explanatory.

4. E-Caller kiddies.. get a E-Caller and blare it for 2 hours non stop. Full volume, playing every default call on the unit to educate the coyotes on every sound. (I know you Americans feel this one too).

What does all that combine for? Coyotes that are educated enough to only move at night when the law prohibits you from dealing with predator control on your farm.
The E-caller problem has gotten so bad you can have a bait pile out and undisturbed for a month and if you take an e-caller out and sound it for even one minute you won't see a single coyote for 3 days on cameras that were showing 4-5 coming in every day before.

See a coyote sitting in the field off the road... they get up and run when the vehicle slows down even if they are 400 yards out. No chance to get out of the vehicle to set up and shoot them legally. They've been shot at so many times out the truck window (even though not legal) by folks that have missed and educated them on that too.

Really struggling out here this year. I don't want to snare or trap because so many neighbors have lost dogs to the colony's snaring, I prefer the positive target identification shooting requires.

Like I said earlier.. enjoy what you've got while you can, need to stay vigilant and make sure gov regulations and gun grabbers don't destroy your fun out there like they are doing to us here.

I'm sure some of you out there will have no trouble adding to the list!

I'm in Sask. And a seasoned coyote caller. I use both hand and E calls. I get what you say Bout every guy using an E call abd educating them. I have found that I need to drive and hour + to get to coyotes that havent been pressured, and when I do....on a good cold and calm day......it's money. Cold is king.....like it or not.....best day I have had......-31 c with no wind.......every stand produced that day. I was flying solo and harvested 11 coyotes. Yes I feel your pain of people educating them

 

[std7mag]

I'll admit to going up near Toronto a few weeks ago with a sign in my back window.
Call your representative!
NO to C-21!!

Got a few looks from the border patrol agent as we crossed over at Niagara.

 

[1lessdog]

I use to guide in Saskatchewan for Waterfowl. But the number of Coyotes I would see was unreal. Sure wish Saskatchewan would allow nonresident to hunt them.

 

[Mike Lum]

I use to guide in Saskatchewan for Waterfowl. But the number of Coyotes I would see was unreal. Sure wish Saskatchewan would allow nonresident to hunt them.

Forgot to mention that part, its the same even between provinces let alone if you are from another country.

We've actually got a few into the decoy spread as well, usually that years young ones.
Unfortunately the fur is nowhere near prime yet.
As soon a big game season starts right after hunters hit the trees and the coyotes get weary from side by sides ripping through the fields and stinking up the area, they go back to nocturnal feeding usually till the end of fur season.

Doesn't take them more than that month to learn that they won't be getting shot at after the sun is down.

 

[Mike Lum]

I shot three of them off the hood of my pickup on Friday. All shot off the road and is legal to do. In fact you can shoot them out the window of your vehicle as long as its not moving or on a State or Federal highway it is not legal. Now I'm talking about hunting N.D.

We've got this little gem in our regulations up here too..

It is unlawful to
9. Discharge a firearm from or cause a projectile from a firearm to pass along or across:
a) a provincial highway (this designation applies to all former primary and secondary highways),
b) a road that is paved, oiled, graded or regularly maintained

They literally want you to stop the vehicle, get out and walk off the road into the ditch, load there, and hope the coyote that started to trot off as soon as the truck slowed down is standing there waiting for you.

 

[Mike Lum]

I'm in Sask. And a seasoned coyote caller. I use both hand and E calls. I get what you say Bout every guy using an E call abd educating them. I have found that I need to drive and hour + to get to coyotes that havent been pressured, and when I do....on a good cold and calm day......it's money. Cold is king.....like it or not.....best day I have had......-31 c with no wind.......every stand produced that day. I was flying solo and harvested 11 coyotes. Yes I feel your pain of people educating them

Very good points about the cold and the wind. I guess they are smart enough to know people won't want to be out in inclimate conditions. Pretty bad when even the coyotes can tell humans as a species are starting to get weak and sheltered.. lol

 

[AWS]

If you continue to hunt coyotes like every other wannabe coyote caller you are doomed to succeed as well as they do. Trying to call coyotes into an open area is going to get you a really stupid coyote and those run out of existence quickly. It is kind of like walking down the middle of the street when all the residence in town are trying to kill you.

 

[Mike Lum]

If you continue to hunt coyotes like every other wannabe coyote caller you are doomed to succeed as well as they do. Trying to call coyotes into an open area is going to get you a really stupid coyote and those run out of existence quickly. It is kind of like walking down the middle of the street when all the residence in town are trying to kill you.

Best results I've had were using 0 disturbance method over an established dead pile, no calling no noise. just sitting and waiting. Ditched the E-caller couple years ago, if I do call on other properties its with mouth calls, haven't had near as much issue with those.

You're right about the easy ones, they are like deer that way, the booner usually waits in the trees for the young ones to get out into the field first. If that's a family group of coyotes you've just educated 2 or 3 you didn't see even if you did smoke one.

 

[Plumsask]

If you continue to hunt coyotes like every other wannabe coyote caller you are doomed to succeed as well as they do. Trying to call coyotes into an open area is going to get you a really stupid coyote and those run out of existence quickly. It is kind of like walking down the middle of the street when all the residence in town are trying to kill you.

Just curious.......what If you live on the open prairies......and everything is an open space? We've pulled coyotes from 1000 yards while laying prone in an open field.....been doing this for decades.....haven't run out of coyotes yet, don't have many that get away either

 

[AWS]

You've got something that works for you, your not complaining.

You have to find the things that isn't like every other coyote hunter is educating them to if your hunting in a heavily pressured area.

 

[COLT45SA]

Thought long and hard about posting this thread... hopefully some of you folks in the States can appreciate what you still have and fight to protect it!

1. No Silencers allowed. Though the majority of Canadian law comes from pre existing British law where it is unlawful to shoot within a few hundred yards of people WITHOUT a suppressor, here in Canada they are banned outright.

2. No Night hunting allowed.. 30 minutes before dawn and 30 past dusk that's all you get.

3. No AR's... self explanatory.

4. E-Caller kiddies.. get a E-Caller and blare it for 2 hours non stop. Full volume, playing every default call on the unit to educate the coyotes on every sound. (I know you Americans feel this one too).

What does all that combine for? Coyotes that are educated enough to only move at night when the law prohibits you from dealing with predator control on your farm.
The E-caller problem has gotten so bad you can have a bait pile out and undisturbed for a month and if you take an e-caller out and sound it for even one minute you won't see a single coyote for 3 days on cameras that were showing 4-5 coming in every day before.

See a coyote sitting in the field off the road... they get up and run when the vehicle slows down even if they are 400 yards out. No chance to get out of the vehicle to set up and shoot them legally. They've been shot at so many times out the truck window (even though not legal) by folks that have missed and educated them on that too.

Really struggling out here this year. I don't want to snare or trap because so many neighbors have lost dogs to the colony's snaring, I prefer the positive target identification shooting requires.

Like I said earlier.. enjoy what you've got while you can, need to stay vigilant and make sure gov regulations and gun grabbers don't destroy your fun out there like they are doing to us here.

I'm sure some of you out there will have no trouble adding to the list!

You are correct in every thought. Here in the States I have experienced the regular occurrence of creeping gun regulations. The gun owning community does not look at a nibble here and a nibble there as threatening, yet that old saying 'give "em an inch and they'll take a mile" is just so true. When you're my age all you have to do is look at what the regulations were in the early '70s and what they are now to be shocked beyond belief.
Our attitude towards any regulation is that if it doesn't affect me then I'll just keep my mouth shut. ANY new regulation, no matter how minor it may seem is just another attack on Article II of the basic 'Law of the Land'. the ATF just expanded their definition of 'ghost guns' to which we are required to comply. Funny thing is I don't remember ever having the opportunity to vote for any of these rule makers~!
My only suggestion is that whenever you see one of these regs proposed or implemented, take a few minutes to contact your Congressmen and tell them you object~!!! The 'anti-gunners' are constantly looking to take another nibble out of our Second Amendment~!!

 

[okie]

Thought long and hard about posting this thread... hopefully some of you folks in the States can appreciate what you still have and fight to protect it!

1. No Silencers allowed. Though the majority of Canadian law comes from pre existing British law where it is unlawful to shoot within a few hundred yards of people WITHOUT a suppressor, here in Canada they are banned outright.

2. No Night hunting allowed.. 30 minutes before dawn and 30 past dusk that's all you get.

3. No AR's... self explanatory.

4. E-Caller kiddies.. get a E-Caller and blare it for 2 hours non stop. Full volume, playing every default call on the unit to educate the coyotes on every sound. (I know you Americans feel this one too).

What does all that combine for? Coyotes that are educated enough to only move at night when the law prohibits you from dealing with predator control on your farm.
The E-caller problem has gotten so bad you can have a bait pile out and undisturbed for a month and if you take an e-caller out and sound it for even one minute you won't see a single coyote for 3 days on cameras that were showing 4-5 coming in every day before.

See a coyote sitting in the field off the road... they get up and run when the vehicle slows down even if they are 400 yards out. No chance to get out of the vehicle to set up and shoot them legally. They've been shot at so many times out the truck window (even though not legal) by folks that have missed and educated them on that too.

Really struggling out here this year. I don't want to snare or trap because so many neighbors have lost dogs to the colony's snaring, I prefer the positive target identification shooting requires.

Like I said earlier.. enjoy what you've got while you can, need to stay vigilant and make sure gov regulations and gun grabbers don't destroy your fun out there like they are doing to us here.

I'm sure some of you out there will have no trouble adding to the list!

Can you use dogs there?

 

[Mike Lum]

Can you use dogs there?

They killed that as well, here is a report from one of the liberal rags about it:

Alberta Bans Hunting Coyotes With Dogs

The Alberta government recently announced that it’s limiting the practice of using dogs to hunt coyotes.

It’s now illegal to hunt coyotes with dogs, although a temporary permit can be granted to livestock owners who have suffered losses from coyotes. The permits, however, will only be granted as a last resort when other coyote-control measures have failed.

The new law follows apparent growing concern that coyote hunting has become a recreational activity.

Alberta Agriculture Minister Shirley McClellan and Resource Minister Mike Cardinal amended the regulations necessary to stop the practice of using dogs to hunt coyotes.

“Coyotes are an important and valuable wildlife species,” McClellan said.

Story courtesy of Jennifer Bober of the Calgary Sun.

 

[okie]

They killed that as well, here is a report from one of the liberal rags about it:

Alberta Bans Hunting Coyotes With Dogs

The Alberta government recently announced that it’s limiting the practice of using dogs to hunt coyotes.

It’s now illegal to hunt coyotes with dogs, although a temporary permit can be granted to livestock owners who have suffered losses from coyotes. The permits, however, will only be granted as a last resort when other coyote-control measures have failed.

The new law follows apparent growing concern that coyote hunting has become a recreational activity.

Alberta Agriculture Minister Shirley McClellan and Resource Minister Mike Cardinal amended the regulations necessary to stop the practice of using dogs to hunt coyotes.

“Coyotes are an important and valuable wildlife species,” McClellan said.

Story courtesy of Jennifer Bober of the Calgary Sun.

dang it. seems to me that you may have to become an outlaw...