Years back I put some through a 30-06 using H110… and even a case load of surplus 4831 though an awful lot of 4831 just went unburnt out the barrel but What the Heck !! it was 50 cents a pound…I used them in my old 30 carbine Blackhawk revolver for the most part. BUT -- I did load a bunch one time for my buddy to shoot in his 30-06 for rabbit and plinking loads. It's been 40 or 50 years, and I remember Red Dot powder, but the weight eludes me. I'm thinking 4 or 5 grains. jd