can a 6.5 keep up with the dasher at 600 yds

[dmoran]

Mike (stool) -

If I was building a rifle for 600-BR and wanted it to be a 6.5-cal., the 6.5x47 Lapua would be my 1st choice.
Low recoil <> for less bag upset / tracking
Great brass <> Lapua
Good bullet selection and versatility
Efficiency <> of the less capacity case
Barrel life <> over any other 6.5-cal. that uses more powder
Proven performance <> they have done very well in both 600/1000-BR the last few years
For bullets, 120 to 140's, with ballistic favoritism going to 130's and 140's.
My 2nd choice in 6.5-cal. would be a 6.5-Dasher (don't know hardly anyone on one).
With the 6.5-Creedmoor and 260-Rem after that.

D

 

[ShootDots]

Hey Donovan... I never heard of a 6.5 Dasher.. That sounds intriguing to me... You know how I like doing new stuff all the time... HMMM That gets me to thinking!!

 

[mikegaiz]

Last year IBS record HG Score:
10-Shot Score 100 Group Agg. 3.353" Gary Nicholson 7/27/13
He shot with 140 Hybrid, H4350

 

[dmoran]

I never heard of a 6.5 Dasher.. That sounds intriguing to me... You know how I like doing new stuff all the time... HMMM That gets me to thinking!!

Oh yes - I hooked you like a fish with that for bait....... lol
Just think, if you have a bushing die, you could share the die....
D

 

[ShootDots]

When one of my Dashers burns out, I may consider that... I love 6's and 6.5's and that sounds GREAT! We shall see!!

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I think you should leave the experimenting to the guys who are sick of winning with a dasher. Would you start out in short range with something other than the 6ppc? If you are new to 600 yd br you should do what the winners are doing, not just because its better but because you can learn from their knowledge. The dasher will be very well known and the guys will be willing to help you along, there wont be as much free knowledge for the 6.5x47. Either way have fun with it.

 

[stool]

just not my style.....
sorta like never owning a chevy,,,not gonna happen...
( ps or any "american" car....never owned a v8 nor a v6, owned one straight 6..1950 ply....all 4cyl since)

just me

I think you should leave the experimenting to the guys who are sick of winning with a dasher. Would you start out in short range with something other than the 6ppc? If you are new to 600 yd br you should do what the winners are doing, not just because its better but because you can learn from their knowledge. The dasher will be very well known and the guys will be willing to help you along, there wont be as much free knowledge for the 6.5x47. Either way have fun with it.

 

[Jason Boersma]

Can a 6.5 keep up with the dasher at 600yds? I think so, I did it in heavy gun last year, at Harris,MN and I will try again this year. A properly built and loaded for rifle with a skilled shooter or lucky at times, will be able to compete with the dasher at 600yds with a 6.5mm. A 308 win held the heavy gun record at one time.

 

[mshelton]

The Spencer 103 has won a fair share but the Bergers have won a bunch too. Matt

Not trying to be a smart ass but I know people that have written Berger down regardless of what they were using. Heh, I once saw Speer Grandslams on a list.

 

[Plugger]

I wish all the guys and gals I shoot against used a 6.5 at 600 yds.

 

[Erik Cortina]

I'm not a BR shooter, the OP simply asked a questions and that popped into my mind. It's funny to me how upset BR guys get when someone mentions anything other than a Dasher, even if it's a direct answer to a specific question! ;D

I hardly shoot midrange matches anymore, I mainly shoot LR matches, and for LR, the 7mm's and .30 calibers are king in 1,000 yard F-Open.

I think its funny how when ever anyone mentions Dasher, you seem to get all upset, and post what ever you can in opposition of it.
Just as you did above by searching up 4-year old NBRSA600 results.... in a obvious opposition... lol

Myself, I am a big fan of the 6.5x47...... and they work very well in BR. But they are no better then a Dasher - IMO

Do I have this right then:
- you shoot Mid-Range as part of Team Lapua with the 6.5x47 Lapua and Lapua components?
- and LR independently (not as Team Lapua)?
- and you hardly do any Mid-Range anymore?

I did not post in opposition of the Dasher, I simply answered his question about a 6.5 being competitive.

I don't get upset at people talking about Dashers in BR, because apparently the Dasher does very well as it holds almost all the records. I only argue when people state that's the Dasher is the best in LR period, as we clearly know that in LR F-Class it is far from king as it holds ZERO records.

Now on to the Team Lapua question, you are wrong about that as well.

 

[dkhunt14]

The Spencer 103 has won a fair share but the Bergers have won a bunch too. Matt

Not trying to be a smart *** but I know people that have written Berger down regardless of what they were using. Heh, I once saw Speer Grandslams on a list.

I know a bunch of guys that use the Berger Hybrid and a bunch that use the 105 VLD and even a few that use the 108 BT. I use the 105 VLD and it shoots really good. I have shot against the Spencers and have no problem holding my own. I only know 2 guys at Williamsport that use Spencers and this is out of at least 30 to 40 Dashers and 6x47's. I have shot a lot of 5 inch 10 shot groups with Bergers and Sierra 107's. Matt

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Whos asking about f-class? The question is 600 yard Benchrest. The accuracy requirements are different.

 

[Erik Cortina]

Whos asking about f-class? The question is 600 yard Benchrest. The accuracy requirements are different.

OMG, I simply gave an explanation of when I disagree with the Dasher, in BR it obviously does well. However, if you read the title of this thread, the OP asked about a 6.5!

As far as accuracy requirements in both games, it can also be debated, but we'll save that for another thread.

 

[Raythemanroe]

How could the Dasher be good at 600y BR and apparently 1k but not at F-class? Would it be the course of fire or just that the competitors are not using them as much?


Ray

 

[Erik Cortina]

How could the Dasher be good at 600y BR and apparently 1k but not at F-class? Would it be the course of fire or just that the competitors are not using them as much?


Ray

The course of fire. We have to shoot 20 shots for score and have our targets pulled into the pits after every shot. The Dasher's ballistics make it good in low wind conditions, but when the winds really start blowing, competitors have a hard time keeping their shots centered. Many have tried and failed with Dashers. The 7mm's and .30 calibers are what dominated LR F-Class.

The bigger guns agg better in varying wind conditions. One of the best scores I have ever read about was a Dasher at the 2013 California LR Championship, the Dasher shooter shot a 596-? at 1,000 yards in calm conditions. On the same day however, Steven Blair shot the same score with a higher X count using his .300 WSM. The problems for the Dasher really started on day two when the winds started blowing. The Dasher did not even place when it was all said and done because the 7mm's caught up to it and passed it in the wind.

The 6mm's will do well for one match or even one day, but they can't keep up in a 2 or 3 day tournament with the bigger guns.

 

[mikegaiz]

Spencer is not making bullets anymore. :'(

 

[Steveb]

I have to second Erik's comments about the Dasher. In calm condition's they are almost impossible to beat but in the windy conditions it is a whole other ballgame. I normally shoot either the 6.5 x 47 L or 300 SAUM and find that in the matches I have shot lately the Dashers generally do not do as well as the bigger cartridges. This is not to say that a superb driver can't give us a good run for our money but generally they don't finish as well unless the conditions are relatively calm.

They are superb though in the short range matches.

Steve

 

[MarkS]

stool,

I started in IBS 600 yds Benchrest when it started. I was shooting 1000 at the time. I was shooting 6BR and a 6BRBS close to a Dasher. Most of the same guys shooting 1000yd BR, used their big 30 cals, 6.5 x 284, and big 6mm, 6x284, 243AI. From the start the small 6mm ( 6BR, 6CX, 6X44 ) were winning. Then came the 6BRX, Dasher, and 6brdx. It did not take long before the 6BR and IMP's to take over. I went with the 6BRX in 2005' and started winning, and have not looked back.

I have looked hard at the 6.5x47L, but just can't see the cost over what I have.

Mark Schronce

 

[Shynloco]

Stool,
I have enjoyed reading all the responses to your question in that most were filled with biased response in support of the discipline they shoot, backed by records, which I suppose is a justified approach. But I'm not sure any were all that INDEPENDENTLY convincing and might sway you toward the answer you seek. Personally, I love the technical and documented information provided, but if I were in your shoes (lucky guy to be building a new toy) I'd go after something I don't have and then try to beat or outshoot what I do have without prejudice. Just my .02 worth. But good luck which ever way you decide.

Alex