can a 6.5 keep up with the dasher at 600 yds

[stool]

i'm looking at building another rifle..just for 600yd br shooting...
it would appear that when things are just right the dasher is the round to beat.
is there a 6.5 that can keep up ?
would a heavier bullet in 6.5 give it any real advantage ?

what did i not ask...
hobby builder, like building....do not mind doing it different....

 

[JRS]

It's the guy/gal behind the trigger Mike. Not the caliber or cartridge.

 

[dkhunt14]

It's the guy/gal behind the trigger Mike. Not the caliber or cartridge.

Wrong, why does the 6BR cases hold all the records. They are just plain accurate. Matt

 

[Syncrowave]

is there a 6.5 that can keep up ?

Dunno, the 6.5/284 won an awful lot of matches and set some records, like a 1.56" 5-shot group at 1000...

 

[dkhunt14]

Mike is talking 600 yards. The 6BR and its variants hold almost all the 600 records and a lot of the light gun 1000 yard records. Matt

 

[ShootDots]

I am NOT a benchrest shooter.. So I am coming from an F-Open perspective. I shoot BOTH a 6 Dasher and a 6.5 x 47 at 600 yards. One is no better than the other as far as scores are concerned. As far as "straight up and down" accuracy, I have shot, in practice for a match at 600 yards, "more than a few" groups under 2 inches with my 6.5 x 47 Lapua shooting 130 VLD's... I have also done so with the Dasher... But, I can tell you, if I could read the wind like a book, I think the difference between the 2 would come down to "who made the first or biggest mistake".. They are both LASERS out to 600 yards, and my guess would be that in a calm day, BOTH would be VERY hard to beat at 1000 yards.. BUT as I stated, I shoot F-Open, so that is the perspective I am coming from..

 

[Erik Cortina]

Don Nielson did well with a 6.5x47 Lapua.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/04/don-nielson-wins-2010-nbrsa-600-yard-championship/

 

[dmoran]

Don Nielson did well with a 6.5x47 Lapua.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/04/don-nielson-wins-2010-nbrsa-600-yard-championship/

Wow - you had to dig back a ways to find that one.....
Should look at the IBS600 (predominately more popular) and current years to see whats happening.

A couple years back, didn't you use to shoot a 6.5x47 Lapua with Lapua bullets in FClass and do quite well with it?
Why don't you any more?

 

[Erik Cortina]

Don Nielson did well with a 6.5x47 Lapua.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/04/don-nielson-wins-2010-nbrsa-600-yard-championship/

Wow - you had to dig back a ways to find that one.....
Should look at the IBS600 (predominately more popular) and current years to see whats happening.

A couple years back, didn't you use to shoot a 6.5x47 Lapua with Lapua bullets in FClass and do quite well with it?
Why don't you any more?

I didn't have to dig, I used the search function.

I'm not a BR shooter, the OP simply asked a questions and that popped into my mind. It's funny to me how upset BR guys get when someone mentions anything other than a Dasher, even if it's a direct answer to a specific question! ;D

I hardly shoot midrange matches anymore, I mainly shoot LR matches, and for LR, the 7mm's and .30 calibers are king in 1,000 yard F-Open.

 

[mshelton]

Bullet selection probably has a lot to do with it also, I know quite a few 6mm match wins were done with the Spencer 103s.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Stool, you asked about 600yd Benchrest,6mmbr, 6mmdasher, 6mmbrx are your options in my opinion. I have shot a 260 AI in competition, friends have tried others, 6x47L, 6xc, 260, 6.5x47L and while they shoot well and may even min a match, nothing seems to agg like an improved br. If we were talking F-class, then take your pick, any of them will work if you can read the condition.

 

[effendude]

Stool,
I don't shoot BR, but after watching the MR F-class game evolve over the last 8 years, I would give the edge to the 6mmBR, BRX and Dasher. They simply seem to shoot better, maybe easier is the word. I have watched many shooters struggle with a rifle, learning the sport, shooting whatever cartridge you want to name. They eventually get a 6BR rifle and instantly their score improves dramatically. They often state that they knew they were better shooters than their scores reflected.

I know that the best shooters will win with whatever cartridge they are using. That said, I believe the 6BR and it's variants make the most out of any shooter. The 105 hybrids running at BR/BRX speeds are a magical combination that is hard to beat.

Scott

 

[dkhunt14]

The Spencer 103 has won a fair share but the Bergers have won a bunch too. Matt

 

[mikegaiz]

Do you think the fact that about 85% of the competitive shooters are shooting the dasher as anything to do with the winning numbers for that cartridge?

 

[bholcomb]

A 6.5 might keep up with a 6mm in score but when the winner is determined by x count, I bet there is a high probability it will go to the 6mm. Just my experience.

 

[dmoran]

I'm not a BR shooter, the OP simply asked a questions and that popped into my mind. It's funny to me how upset BR guys get when someone mentions anything other than a Dasher, even if it's a direct answer to a specific question! ;D

I hardly shoot midrange matches anymore, I mainly shoot LR matches, and for LR, the 7mm's and .30 calibers are king in 1,000 yard F-Open.

I think its funny how when ever anyone mentions Dasher, you seem to get all upset, and post what ever you can in opposition of it.
Just as you did above by searching up 4-year old NBRSA600 results.... in a obvious opposition... lol

Myself, I am a big fan of the 6.5x47...... and they work very well in BR. But they are no better then a Dasher - IMO

Do I have this right then:
- you shoot Mid-Range as part of Team Lapua with the 6.5x47 Lapua and Lapua components?
- and LR independently (not as Team Lapua)?
- and you hardly do any Mid-Range anymore?

 

[wapiti25]

A bigger bullet will cut the line sometimes and give a better score. This is for score shooting not group shooting. Run the various bullets thru a ballistic program and see how they compare in the wind. The 6.5 X 47L brass sure looks good.

 

[stool]

i'll give the point that the bullets will cost a little more, maybe the cases too. and more powder burned to get to the same point.
at my age i am not in an equipment race , nor to i HAVE to win, just be competitive and not DAL(dead azz last) every match.

thanks for the input...do not stop now....

what bullet weight and velocity would keep the 6..5 in the game ??

 

[wwbrown]

I have shot the 6BR, 6 Dasher and a 6.5 x 47L for midrange and I think the 6 BR is very hard to beat. All three are accurate but the BR is so easy to load for given the wide sweet spots it is accurate in a far wider range of temps than the others. Granted the guy on the trigger is the most important thing in the system but it is a system and all the good and bad of each component add up.

For new shooters and reloaders I think there is really is only one answer the 6 BR. The new shooter will find a load easier and quicker and will have success earlier with that round. The BR loads and shoots so well the new shooter can be assured that the BR will shoot well and concentrate on their form.

 

[ShootDots]

My 6.5 x 47 is using the Berger 130 VLD's at 2920... You can get it faster, however, your brass and barrel will wish you did not, for the "comparatively few" f.p.s. increase in velocity. The "gain" is minimal...