Can a .375 Ruger die resize a belt?

[2644ever]

Hi there, just out of curiosity, I'd like to know if the sizing die of the 375 Ruger set could resize the belt on Norma and Federal cases in .338 WM and .264 WM. Primer pockets are still tight but belts are not even touched by the regular dies. The .375 case head appears to have the same dimensions. Before I order the die set from Lee or Hornady, I'd like to know if someone already tried the trick.
Thanks for your attention.

 

[effendude]

Why are you trying to resize the belt? Is the resized brass hard to chamber?
Scott

 

[2644ever]

Why are you trying to resize the belt? Is the resized brass hard to chamber?
Scott

Yes, and it's a pain (second hand brass and tight custom chambers)

 

[Orr89rocz]

Innovative Technologies - Reloading Equipment

Our patented resizing die can reload Winchester, Remington and Weatherby belted magnums up to 20 times, instead of just 2 or 3 times and the top of the die is a chamber width gauge.

www.larrywillis.com

 

[effendude]

Yes, and it's a pain (second hand brass and tight custom chambers)

I guess I will never understand. You state you have used brass, but you want to use it in a tight custom chamber. If you went through the expense of having a custom rifle built, why bother with used brass? It is a magnum, you only get so many rounds down the barrel anyway....
Scott

 

[2644ever]

I guess I will never understand. You state you have used brass, but you want to use it in a tight custom chamber. If you went through the expense of having a custom rifle built, why bother with used brass? It is a magnum, you only get so many rounds down the barrel anyway....
Scott

I'll make you understand ;-) :
I live in Frogland, where everything is either unavailable, back ordered, or a rip off. You won't find .264 and .338 win mag new cases anywhere, so the only solution is in using 7mm Rem Mag once fired cases from various manufacturers, and I should have mentioned, in my first post, that I was resizing those cases...
Winchester and PPU are OK but several lots of Norma and Federal cases have given me difficulties with their belts.
I'm really surprised that, more than a century after the birth of the .375 H&H, no die manufacturer has ever addressed the problem of resizing the belts.

 

[effendude]

I'll make you understand ;-) :
I live in Frogland, where everything is either unavailable, back ordered, or a rip off. You won't find .264 and .338 win mag new cases anywhere, so the only solution is in using 7mm Rem Mag once fired cases from various manufacturers, and I should have mentioned, in my first post, that I was resizing those cases...
Winchester and PPU are OK but several lots of Norma and Federal cases have given me difficulties with their belts.
I'm really surprised that, more than a century after the birth of the .375 H&H, no die manufacturer has ever addressed the problem of resizing the belts.

Makes more sense now. I've had a few belted magnums built years ago, but specified they head spaced off the shoulder, not the belt so I never had any issues. FL dies worked great for me without issues.
Good Luck,
Scott

 

[ricco1949]

I had a 300 Ackley for LRBR back in the 00's. The belt would start shaving brass after 3-4 firings and the pockets were still tight. PITA...did not make for fluid bench manners.

Opened the belt on the barrel breech a few 000's and GTG....no more shavings and smooth cycling.

 

[Fire Dog]

I'll make you understand ;-) :
I live in Frogland, where everything is either unavailable, back ordered, or a rip off. You won't find .264 and .338 win mag new cases anywhere, so the only solution is in using 7mm Rem Mag once fired cases from various manufacturers, and I should have mentioned, in my first post, that I was resizing those cases...
Winchester and PPU are OK but several lots of Norma and Federal cases have given me difficulties with their belts.
I'm really surprised that, more than a century after the birth of the .375 H&H, no die manufacturer has ever addressed the problem of resizing the belts.

Have you checked the Innovative Technologies link suggested by Orr89rocz in post #4?
Their product appears to be exactly what you want/need… I also like their shoulder bump gage and am considering buying one myself.
I hear you about having to “make do” due to unavailability of some shooting products in your local environment ….
Good luck with your endeavours…

 

[2644ever]

Innovative Technologies - Reloading Equipment

Our patented resizing die can reload Winchester, Remington and Weatherby belted magnums up to 20 times, instead of just 2 or 3 times and the top of the die is a chamber width gauge.

www.larrywillis.com

Just what I needed. Thank you so much for the link!
I'll contact them asap.

 

[2644ever]

Have you checked the Innovative Technologies link suggested by Orr89rocz in post #4?
Their product appears to be exactly what you want/need… I also like their shoulder bump gage and am considering buying one myself.
I hear you about having to “make do” due to unavailability of some shooting products in your local environment ….
Good luck with your endeavours…

Thanks for reminding me that I upvoted the gentleman without thanking him...
In Frogland we've had to deal with an anti-arm government since 1936. Everything is rare and overpriced. Gun store owners and distributors are failed used car salesmen. No ethics, no professional attitude.
Gunsmiths have gone the way of VCR repairmen since we don't manufacture guns, ammo and components anymore, even for our armed forces. As a law enforcement marksmanship instructor, it always makes me cringe to notice that, on the field, not a single piece of equipment is made in Frogland, whereas 30 years ago, it was mandatory.
Sometimes I regret that my favorite hobby is not soccer as I would enjoy red carpet treatment. Unfortunately I can't stand soccer as it is a "sport" that brings the worst instincts in the populace, aside from the fact that most soccer players on this side of the pond are unsufferable, primitive, obnoxious, overpaid third world thugs who hate and disrespect anything Frog. And I am being nice.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

No.

Its not the belt that is tight in the chamber. Its the brass on the body right above the belt.

The Innovative Technologies die works very well

 

[2644ever]

No.

Its not the belt that is tight in the chamber. Its the brass on the body right above the belt.

The Innovative Technologies die works very well

Using a felt pen I can see that it's the belt that makes hard contact with the chamber. The regular die will resize every part of the case but the belt.

 

[jackieschmidt]

The belt is just about solid.
If you have some means of spinning the case fast enough, why not take some Emory paper and sand a thousands or so off of the belt’s OD do it is not an interference fit in the chambers counterbore.

 

[hdskip]

What Jackie said!

 

[Fire Dog]

The belt is just about solid.
If you have some means of spinning the case fast enough, why not take some Emory paper and sand a thousands or so off of the belt’s OD do it is not an interference fit in the chambers counterbore.

Now, there’s a “Make Do” idea… Perhaps chucking up in a drill motor or if you have access to a small lathe with a collet of the right size it would be an easy fix to turn off a few thousandths off the belt. That would be the most accurate way to to remove metal off the belt.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Using a felt pen I can see that it's the belt that makes hard contact with the chamber. The regular die will resize every part of the case but the belt.

You should also be sizing to headspace off the shoulder and not the belt. That is most likely your main issue to start.

If you size the brass right above the belt with the Innovative Technologies die, it will also reduce the diameter on the top of the belt as it pushes that brass in right above it and all will be right as rain.

If that doesn’t work then your only other option is to do what Jackie said.

 

[ebb]

I've never been accused of being the sharpest pencil in the pack, so I am just going to have to ask. Where/what is Frogland?

 

[Rewinder]

Try a longer Magnum Die 300 win 458 Win, or 375 H&H and grind a little off the shell holder. This will get down to the belt and leave the shoulders alone.

 

[ebb]

Croatia???? It almost sounded like you were taking about California. Your use of the English language is excellent.