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[maddysdad]

in the 1000 yard matche with bolt action rifles are they using 300 Winchester magnums and what are they loading in them?
gary b

 

[HPMike800]

300WM was popular back in the 80's-90's. I never see one on the line anymore. Are you interested in F-Class or Iron Sights prone shooting? I assume by the question that you are not interested in the 308W and shooting in Palma or F-T/R divisions.

In F-Open the 7mm dominates.
In Sling shooting, 6mm is popular, 6.5mm is probably the most common and there are a few 7mm's.

 

[perry42]

I believe that the Military 1000yd matches are now held at the Atterbury range in Indiana. I'm not sure that 30Winmag is used in competition. More knowledgeable posters will have to answer your question.

perry42

 

[FatBoy]

When Chubb and Carl Kavalchik stopped shooting them that was a sign to me that the 300wm is done for highpower shooters. If I'm not mistake , Carl still holds the 1k any rifle record with a 300wm, 200-19x. Still a wonderful caliber but expensive and hard to shoot through a weekend due to fatigue.

 

[watercam]

Not to mention quite loud...
7mm short mag. might be more viable...

 

[Eddie Harren]

I believe that John Whidden has been quite successful over the past several years with a 243 Win.

 

[XTR]

I believe that John Whidden has been quite successful over the past several years with a 243 Win.

^^ This is missing the [DOH!] tag.

In sling shooting I don't think I've seen anyone shoot a 300WM in the last 7 yrs I've been playing long range games. In F Open the only 300s I see are 300 WSMs and a couple of 300 wildcats but all are smaller than the 300WM.

Whidden obviously has gotten great results with the 243Win. I wouldn't bet against him, ever. The odds don't work out in your favor.

Lots of guys are shooting the 284Win with great results. I think most who tried it have abandoned the 7RSAUM. Brass is expensive and often hard to find, and there isn't much of a velocity gain over the 284. F Open seems to have gone the same way, though there are some improved/blown out versions of the 284Win playing too.

 

[DR1586]

The big 30 has seen its day. Can it win, heck yes. The ability to drive big Bullets and higher rates of speed makes it a contender. But there are other options that offer less recoil, less cost and equal or better ballistics. I'm still a fan of 30 cals and just built a 30-06 Prone gun this winter with a 1:9" Hart setup to shoot heavy bullets.

But the majority of guys now are using 6mm, 6.5 and 7mm.

 

[davek]

Shooting a 300 win mag at that time ,my load was a 190 sierra mk with 65 to 70g of imr 4350, a lot of recoil for sure even with a 16lb rifle. davek

 

[Heman]

As far as the shooters at our LR regional Kovalchuck, Steve McGee, Shirley McGee were shooting .243 Win. Phil Crowe, Jack Little*, Bill Vaughn*, Brian Newkirk* were shooting 284 Win's. Thomas Colyer shoots a 7mm RSAUM, I was shooting a 280 Rem. *I didn't ask them exactly but know in the past they've shot 284 or 6.5x284's for their any rifles. The winner Jeff Graham (very good friend) was shooting a 338 LM, but he is still stuck back in the 80's and 90's and built the 338 because he wanted something different from his old school 30-338 Mag he shot for years, so ignore that. I would say 6mm as in the .243 or the 7mm in the .284 Win are the two most prevalent cartridges you see sling shooters shoot, soem 6.5x284's are still on the line also but at our matches and where I've shot people seem to have gone to the straight 284's.

As far as actions you see a full range of them.

 

[r bose]

Personally I think bullet technology and advancements in high BC, smaller calibers, put the 30 cal days well behind us. A 6mm 115g .620 BC projectile at 3000 FPS is gonna be tough to beat with any 30 cal case not the mention the beating you're gonna get shooting it. Could you imagine pushing a 210g bullet at 3000 FPS? Several friends had 30-338 rifles. Pull trigger, hear the boom, crawl back up to the firing line after each shot. Think I'll pass.....

 

[SWRichmond]

Personally I think bullet technology and advancements in high BC, smaller calibers, put the 30 cal days well behind us. A 6mm 115g .620 BC projectile at 3000 FPS is gonna be tough to beat with any 30 cal case not the mention the beating you're gonna get shooting it. Could you imagine pushing a 210g bullet at 3000 FPS? Several friends had 30-338 rifles. Pull trigger, hear the boom, crawl back up to the firing line after each shot. Think I'll pass.....

Probably should have let this go, but just couldn't, being a fan of the 300WM. Did all bullets develop except .30 cal ones?

Pushing the 230 Berger OTM (0.719 G1 BC) at 2775 (not even really a hot load), which is my load for this excellent cartridge, ballistically performs the same or better than the 7mm 180gr Berger Hybrid, even when that bullet is pushed hard to higher velocities (2850). Recoil IS noticeably stouter, and it is more expensive to shoot. Those last two are more likely the reasons it is no longer seen in competition but the 7mm's are.

Some F-O shooters still use the excellent Berger 230 Match Hybrid Target, 0.743 G1 BC in 300WSM.

The highest BC 115 gr 6mm bullet I could find, plugged into a ballistic calculator at 3000 fps, drifts at 1K more than a minute more than the 300WM load above.

 

[Heman]

It is still the Indian and not the arrow, but the reason the majority of position shooters have never started or given up on the big 30's is recoil. It breaks your position down and you have to rebuild it more. If you watch John Whidden shoot he shoots his 243 just like a smallbore rifle never breaks position doesn't move his right elbow, you couldn't do that with a big 30. John's load in the 243 is a 105gr Hybrid at 3300fps, I'm running the identical load in mine. Got around 2,500 rounds on the first barrel. I also shoot a 280 rem with 180's going at 2,920fps. Yeah the 230's may take the wind better but the extra pounding isn't worth it. The lighter recoiling rifles are easier to shoot, why I built a 223 palma rifle for mid-range and I've even started shooting it as my fullbore rifle with 90gr VLD's for 800-1000. Just less recoil than a 308-155 combo. Minimize recoil you can sustain a better position.

Amen, Hallelujah, pass the offering plate..........

 

[r bose]

It is still the Indian and not the arrow, but the reason the majority of position shooters have never started or given up on the big 30's is recoil. It breaks your position down and you have to rebuild it more. If you watch John Whidden shoot he shoots his 243 just like a smallbore rifle never breaks position doesn't move his right elbow, you couldn't do that with a big 30. John's load in the 243 is a 105gr Hybrid at 3300fps, I'm running the identical load in mine. Got around 2,500 rounds on the first barrel. I also shoot a 280 rem with 180's going at 2,920fps. Yeah the 230's may take the wind better but the extra pounding isn't worth it. The lighter recoiling rifles are easier to shoot, why I built a 223 palma rifle for mid-range and I've even started shooting it as my fullbore rifle with 90gr VLD's for 800-1000. Just less recoil than a 308-155 combo. Minimize recoil you can sustain a better position.

Amen, Hallelujah, pass the offering plate..........

Exactly the point I was trying to convey. Thank You. Built my first 223 prone gun in 2006 and never looked back. Shot midrange at first and now, on it's 3rd barrel I've shot it out to 1000 prone and frankly the 90 VLD at 2900 FPS isn't giving up much. Maybe need an extra click or 2 on the rear sight compared to 308 palma gun. The big plus is feeling like you've just shot in a smallbore match at days end.

 

[Heman]

Exactly the point I was trying to convey. Thank You. Built my first 223 prone gun in 2006 and never looked back. Shot midrange at first and now, on it's 3rd barrel I've shot it out to 1000 prone and frankly the 90 VLD at 2900 FPS isn't giving up much. Maybe need an extra click or 2 on the rear sight compared to 308 palma gun. The big plus is feeling like you've just shot in a smallbore match at days end.

Amen to the smallbore match. First match I took it out to was a 3x300. Loaded up some 77's and shot scope first two matches gun settled on the target exactly like a smallbore gun. Why I love the 223 palma rifle and the 243 both are like that. So far with the 90gr VLDs I'm making wind calls like i do with the 185's. On paper they are the same and they pretty much seem to be in the field. Only difference is the 90's have a tad more vertical but still not horrible.