By now, every California shooter should have heard of Gavin Newsom's Safety For All Act of 2016 ballot initiative. If this passes, and passes any court challenges, then what will you do in order to secure ammo? Since most here reload, and CA's definition on what ammo actually is, is somewhat unclear, but does include components such as case and projectile, this measure could affect reloaders. I have posted this on a California specific forum, but am posting here to understand what we will do with reloading.
The proposal says in part the following.
Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2018, from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.
AND
The sale, delivery or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity from the purchaser or transferee, provided, however, that commencing January 1, 2018, ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor in this state initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section
If you buy, in the aforementioned face-to-face transaction, you have to do this.
Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall not sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any ammunition without, at the time of delivery, legibly recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Department of Justice:
(1) The date of the sale or other transfer.
(2) The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the state in which it was issued.
(3) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred. (4) The purchaser's or transferee's full name and signature.
(5) The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction. (6) The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
(6) The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.
And you need a $50 2 year permit...
The Department may charge a reasonable fee not to exceed $50 per person for the issuance of an ammunition purchase authorization or the issuance of a renewal authorization...
The Department may charge a reasonable fee not to exceed $50 per person for the issuance of an ammunition purchase authorization or the issuance of a renewal authorization...
And what is "ammunition"?
As used in this part, except in subdivision (a) of Section 30305 and in Section 30306, "ammunition" means one or more loaded cartridges consisting of a primed case, propellant, and with one or more projectiles. "Ammunition" does not include blanks. 12 (b) As used in subdivision (a) of Section 30305 and in Section 30306, "ammunition" includes, but is not limited to, any bullet, cartridge, magazine, clip, speed loader, autoloader, or projectile capable of being fired from a firearm with a deadly consequence. ''Ammunition" does not include blanks.
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I expect this initiative will make into law and may even withstand court challenges. So, assuming that is the case, how will you respond?
I plan to shoot 6mmBR and reload. You think the local gun store will be stocking Lapua 6mmBR brass? Not around my parts. How I am supposed to reload then? Mail order and have it shipped to a CA FFL? If they are even willing to do this, how much will that cost? Maybe special order it for me? Again, at what cost, especially with all the extra paperwork and effort ammo dealers have to go through (much more than now). I expect many mail order firms to drop CA for anything ammo related. If I can't mail order and I can't get locally, then what? The idiot Newsom appears to think ammo is all the same.
Phil
The proposal says in part the following.
Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2018, from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.
AND
The sale, delivery or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity from the purchaser or transferee, provided, however, that commencing January 1, 2018, ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor in this state initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section
If you buy, in the aforementioned face-to-face transaction, you have to do this.
Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall not sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any ammunition without, at the time of delivery, legibly recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Department of Justice:
(1) The date of the sale or other transfer.
(2) The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the state in which it was issued.
(3) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred. (4) The purchaser's or transferee's full name and signature.
(5) The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction. (6) The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
(6) The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.
And you need a $50 2 year permit...
The Department may charge a reasonable fee not to exceed $50 per person for the issuance of an ammunition purchase authorization or the issuance of a renewal authorization...
The Department may charge a reasonable fee not to exceed $50 per person for the issuance of an ammunition purchase authorization or the issuance of a renewal authorization...
And what is "ammunition"?
As used in this part, except in subdivision (a) of Section 30305 and in Section 30306, "ammunition" means one or more loaded cartridges consisting of a primed case, propellant, and with one or more projectiles. "Ammunition" does not include blanks. 12 (b) As used in subdivision (a) of Section 30305 and in Section 30306, "ammunition" includes, but is not limited to, any bullet, cartridge, magazine, clip, speed loader, autoloader, or projectile capable of being fired from a firearm with a deadly consequence. ''Ammunition" does not include blanks.
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I expect this initiative will make into law and may even withstand court challenges. So, assuming that is the case, how will you respond?
I plan to shoot 6mmBR and reload. You think the local gun store will be stocking Lapua 6mmBR brass? Not around my parts. How I am supposed to reload then? Mail order and have it shipped to a CA FFL? If they are even willing to do this, how much will that cost? Maybe special order it for me? Again, at what cost, especially with all the extra paperwork and effort ammo dealers have to go through (much more than now). I expect many mail order firms to drop CA for anything ammo related. If I can't mail order and I can't get locally, then what? The idiot Newsom appears to think ammo is all the same.
Phil
