Cadmium projectiles

[wkndwarrior]

I bought a hodgepodge lot of .224 projectiles from an old timer recently and found this box in the mix. A quick google says cadmium is pretty toxic so obviously I'm not going to handle or shoot them. Nothing came up on google relating to the bullets though. Curious if anyone has a story on them or if they appeal to any collectors.

 

[M-61]

Cadmium is a toxic substance that can cause serious health problems, including cancer, genetic defects, and damage to fertility and unborn children.

 

[M-61]

Years ago little was known about toxic substances.
Even to the point your parents took you to a shoe store to have your feet X-rayed.
Is more known today? Well maybe but they sure missed out on agent orange. Basically the presumptive list just gets longer.
Small wonder some people have serious doubts about the Covid vaccine.

 

[Fire Dog]

I bought a hodgepodge lot of .224 projectiles from an old timer recently and found this box in the mix. A quick google says cadmium is pretty toxic so obviously I'm not going to handle or shoot them. Nothing came up on google relating to the bullets though. Curious if anyone has a story on them or if they appeal to any collectors.

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They appear to be coated as the lead tip can be seen… Looks like early attempts of reducing friction such as seen in the use of “Moly” and hBN these days…
I can recall bullet lube that had asbestos fibre in it to be used in sizers for cast bullets…
The idea being it would help reduce friction…
We just did not know… Now many of the folks using some of those toxic products are paying the price…
A bit late in the day but I always wear nitrile gloves these days while loading and cleaning… {:~/

 

[ISS]

Let me know if you have any questions about Agent Orange. I have had five surgeries requiring organ partial or complete removal in the last 22 years.

Rich

 

[gdbleb]

Cadmium bullets are a type of ammunition where the bullets are plated with or made from cadmium. While cadmium has been used in some ammunition, particularly for specialized applications like high-velocity hunting loads in the past, it is not widely used in modern ammunition due to cadmium's toxicity.Cadmium is a known carcinogen that is toxic if inhaled or ingested, and it can cause serious health issues and environmental contamination.

Historical Use

• Specialized Ammunition:
  Cadmium plating was used on bullets in the past, sometimes for high-velocity ammunition.
• CleanFire Ammunition:.
  Montgomery Ward sold a brand called "CleanFire" in the 1930s that featured cadmium-coated bullets.

Another discredited "miracle" substance.

 

[wkndwarrior]

I was curious what the coating is for, using it like Moly sounds about right. Other than dumping them into another container to weigh/quantify I haven't handled them.

Thanks for the info, I tried google but reading the last reply - should've plugged the question into Gemini

 

[DocBII]

Good day,

May want to keep them away from any Ti components, as well. I recall the Air Force had to quit using cadmium plated tools to keep from having problems with the SR-71,

FWIW,
DocBII

 

[gdbleb]

A little research reveals 220 Swift and 22-250 came out in the 1930's and were "barrel burners" so FireDog is most likely correct.

 

[SeabeeKen]

I recall during our deployment to Guam in 1990-91, the navy gave out permethrin aerosol by the case and told us to spray our uniforms but had to let it dry before wearing. When I asked about the reason for letting it dry, I was told it had to dry to be safe. I then commented about my men working in 98 degree, high humidity and sweating which re-hydrated the stuff, I got silence. I refused to give it to my platoon.

 

[swd]

That's a cool, albeit toxic bit of history. We had a client who had been a Vietnam era submariner give us a non sparking beryllium hammer out of a sub. Then I looked up beryllium. It just sat in corner after that.

 

[WSnyder]

beryllium

Pretty much inert unless you make fine dust out of it and then inhale it.

 

[okie]

Let me know if you have any questions about Agent Orange. I have had five surgeries requiring organ partial or complete removal in the last 22 years.

Rich

killed my dad...

 

[okie]

I bought a hodgepodge lot of .224 projectiles from an old timer recently and found this box in the mix. A quick google says cadmium is pretty toxic so obviously I'm not going to handle or shoot them. Nothing came up on google relating to the bullets though. Curious if anyone has a story on them or if they appeal to any collectors.

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neat antique keepsake

 

[Trophied]

Years ago the wire shelves in refrigerators were Cadmium plated. The first I knew of it was when my dad told me not to ever use any of those old discarded shelves as a bbq grill for any reason.

 

[357Mag]

I recall during our deployment to Guam in 1990-91, the navy gave out permethrin aerosol by the case and told us to spray our uniforms but had to let it dry before wearing. When I asked about the reason for letting it dry, I was told it had to dry to be safe. I then commented about my men working in 98 degree, high humidity and sweating which re-hydrated the stuff, I got silence. I refused to give it to my platoon.

Seabeeken-

Howdy !

Not intending to hyjack the post.

Casmium:
- Finely powdered Cadmium dust can be lethal if inhaled or injected. Decades ago, a USAF C-130 aircrew was flying; when the Environmental Control System’s cooling turbine began to eat itself. The impeller blades were CAD plated, and the whole aircrew
inhaled the resulting toxic dust as the turbine blades ground to an eventual halt.
From memory…. the crewmen were all dead within 3 days.

Permethane:
- They were still mandating pre-treating our BDUs with Per methane, when deploying overseas to places like Iraq; like when my Air Guard unit deployed members for OEF/OIF in 2006 - 2008. For all I know ( I retired after 37yr July 2009 ) they still are mandating uniform pre-treatment w/ the stuff, which does not smell like it is any good for humans… let alone insects. I heard people were getting rashes or experiencing convulsions in some instances.

Other:
- We were given a letter from a base Doctor, stating that we had been exposed to the toxic plumes coming of “ burn pits “ ,while were were based in Iraq. That was probably attributable to the Agent Orange nightmare ISS and other vets have had to endure since Viet Nam. Perhaps the powers that be learned from that ?!


With regards,
357Mag

 

[Webster]

Seabeeken-

Howdy !

Not intending to hyjack the post.

Casmium:
- Finely powdered Cadmium dust can be lethal if inhaled or injected. Decades ago, a USAF C-130 aircrew was flying; when the Environmental Control System’s cooling turbine began to eat itself. The impeller blades were CAD plated, and the whole aircrew
inhaled the resulting toxic dust as the turbine blades ground to an eventual halt.
From memory…. the crewmen were all dead within 3 days.

Permethane:
- They were still mandating pre-treating our BDUs with Per methane, when deploying overseas to places like Iraq; like when my Air Guard unit deployed members for OEF/OIF in 2006 - 2008. For all I know ( I retired after 37yr July 2009 ) they still are mandating uniform pre-treatment w/ the stuff, which does not smell like it is any good for humans… let alone insects. I heard people were getting rashes or experiencing convulsions in some instances.

Other:
- We were given a letter from a base Doctor, stating that we had been exposed to the toxic plumes coming of “ burn pits “ ,while were were based in Iraq. That was probably attributable to the Agent Orange nightmare ISS and other vets have had to endure since Viet Nam. Perhaps the powers that be learned from that ?!


With regards,
357Mag

I used to do QC on Cadmium plated fasterens for the Navy. I was never warned about how dangerous Cad was. Of course there was no dust.