Business proposal for Remington

[hogpatrol]

Rifle companies aren't interested in introducing new cartridges. That endeavor is littered with failures. It's cheaper and less risky to let ammo companies do it. Look how long it took for the 6.5 Creedmoor to mature, ten years. Would a rifle manufacturer make rifles that long waiting for a cartridge to catch on? Doubtful.
Why did Hornady introduce the 17HM2, 17HMR and the two Creedmoors? Not to sell rifles but to sell ammo and components. Nosler has jumped on the bandwagon as has Federal. Introduce a cartridge and sell components. I think it'll be a cold day in Hades before any rifle manufacturer introduces a new cartridge.

 

[riflewoman]

They also spent a ton of money on an 870 pump with a funky gas system to counteract the recoil for trap shooters.

 

[Dgd6mm]

You missed April Fools by 12 days.

 

[hpshooter]

"They also spent a ton of money on an 870 pump with a funky gas system to counteract the recoil for trap shooters."

Ther is one residing in the safe. In would say the recoil reduction is negligible even when squeaky clean. Some people had trouble with the receivers cracking around the magazine tube on these.

 

[msinc]

They don't need new cartridges and they don't need different guns, what they need to do is learn how to make a barrel that will actually hit something. That would be number one. Next, quit bragging about an absolutely worthless trigger that is "user adjustable"...from 17 all the way down to about 14 pounds!!! Come on stupid people, you are not helping us with schitt like that!!! If Timney, Jewel, Jard, and Rifle Basix, among a few others can make triggers that work and don't get them sued surely Remington, "America's oldest gunmaker" can figure it out by now!!!
Next, they need to dispose of the cheap completely useless rubber stocks. Barrel, stock, trigger.....it's not hard!!!! Somewhere in the middle of all this they could look at cleaning out all the blast media that locks up bolt stop plungers and ejectors...I think that is called Q.C.
Right now, if you buy a Remington Model Seven or 700 you have bought an action only, and it needs taken apart and cleaned. You now need a barrel, a trigger, a stock and for most people a gunsmith. I don't see them staying around much longer if they don't get their head and a$$ wired together.

Edit: almost forgot...either a PTG bolt or a gunsmith that can bush the factory one because they cut a bevel around the firing pin hole.

You know, the real question/answer is if they closed down right now would anyone really be affected to the point that they gave a GD??? My answer is NO!!! I have all the 870's I need and I can buy 700 clone actions that are way better. Not a very good position to be in.
They obviously don't test fire their rifles...ever read how they brag up the 5R??? Talking about how "benchrest precision" it is??? Where in benchrest is shooting 2 1/2" groups at 100 yards competitive?? Lets not forget the 10 pound trigger.

 

[hogpatrol]

My 2¢ The issue with a lot of these old line manufacturing companies is the skill sets that made them great haven't been passed on and are long gone, dead, retired, laid off, or quit. They can hire two CNC machine operators for the price of one skilled guy. I taught guys that were fantastic at programming CNCs but other than plugging in feeds and speeds from a book, didn't know sheep dung from shin-ola about machining.

 

[msinc]

I’m retired but I still get my 8 hours in by 3:00. Luckily, it started to rain today at 3:10!

Yes sir, so am I. In fact, I retired at 52 and typically the "middle" of my work day is about 9:00am. I get more done before breakfast than most so called "working" people do all day!!!!! If they are government they got go all month.

 

[JimT]

JimT, maybe not as smart as you,but,I'm retired.

Me too!! 20 years the first of this month.

 

[mike a]

My point exactly. It's honestly amazing that they still exist given their consistent and continuous, almost willful, mis-steps and negligent business and marketing strategies. They can be counted on to back something great... very poorly.

280 to 7mm express, back to 280?
The 260?
The 6mm BR
The 221 fireball
The 17 remington
The 17 Fireball

The trend is clear. They start something great and then give it a nice pair of concrete galoshes to swim in the wide ocean of products with.

Don't forget the 5mm Remington Magnum. I had one and loved it.

 

[North Fork]

I Wish they would bring bring back the XR100

 

[Tommie]

IMO the ultimate issue isn’t a lack of new products.

Their QC absolutely sucks.

 

[Shawnba67]

My 2¢ The issue with a lot of these old line manufacturing companies is the skill sets that made them great haven't been passed on and are long gone, dead, retired, laid off, or quit. They can hire two CNC machine operators for the price of one skilled guy. I taught guys that were fantastic at programming CNCs but other than plugging in feeds and speeds from a book, didn't know sheep dung from shin-ola about machining.

Probly 3 guys or more.

 

[JimT]

IMO the ultimate issue isn’t a lack of new products.

Their QC absolutely sucks.

Just finished an article in the May issue of Guns Magazine on Wyoming Armory Precision Firearms where in Keith Kilby stated that he has found the Model 700 bare actions currently coming from Remington are better than the ones “made for years” at the Ilion, NY plant. This has been my experience also.

 

[Spook]

So here's my daydream: Remington, in an attempt to recover and do something that folks would find desireable, should standardize the Norma style long 6 dasher as a 6mm Remington Dasher, or similar.

They should then do a run of tactical and prs 700s, and 40x style rifles (a.la. Savage with the model 12) chambered in this "exciting new" round. As an exciting twist (get it?), they will, for once in their entire history, put sensible fast twist barrels on these rifles to shoot the heavy bullets people want.

They can team up with any ammunition manufacturer they want to produce "plinking and varmint" and "match" grades of ammo.

The whole advertising campaign can be around "world record setting performance and accuracy now standard!"

Thoughts?

you're over looking the fact that it would still be a Remington

 

[jonbearman]

They are claiming bankruptcy because the courts are allowing sandy hook survivors sue their pants off.

 

[JimT]

They are claiming bankruptcy because the courts are allowing sandy hook survivors sue their pants off.

Remington exited bankruptcy in May of 2018 after spending less than 2 months in bankruptcy proceedings.

 

[shooter65]

You know Remington is for sale? With all the “great ideas” internet experts and everyone else has for running Remington’s business better than ever, I would have thought that they would have all got together and put their money where their mouths are?

What is the asking price?

 

[JimT]

What is the asking price?

No idea. I’m sure the guys at JP Morgan would love to talk to you about it though.

 

[3Ackleys]

Rifle companies aren't interested in introducing new cartridges. That endeavor is littered with failures. It's cheaper and less risky to let ammo companies do it. Look how long it took for the 6.5 Creedmoor to mature, ten years. Would a rifle manufacturer make rifles that long waiting for a cartridge to catch on? Doubtful.
Why did Hornady introduce the 17HM2, 17HMR and the two Creedmoors? Not to sell rifles but to sell ammo and components. Nosler has jumped on the bandwagon as has Federal. Introduce a cartridge and sell components. I think it'll be a cold day in Hades before any rifle manufacturer introduces a new cartridge.

Nosler makes rifles too