urbanrifleman
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I will take David Tubb (or John Whidden) with a sling on his belly at 1K F Class target, shooting his 6MM over the bottom 85 at the last F class Nationals shooting whatever they want to bring.
BRA Does NOT Guarantee "Harry" a World Record
- Thread starter CaptainMal
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Alex Wheeler
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Larry is spot on. You cant buy your way into the winners circle, thats a fact. I did tell you to send me that barrel and Krieger and I would replace it no charge. Not sure what else to do there. I'll let you know when your reamer shows up.
Like I tell people! This is a new season! I myself have to learn to shoot all over again, because I don't have the pleasure of shooting all winter. I know i made a big rookie mistake and forgot to tighten my front rest down in H.G. class. L.G. I know I wasn't holding the rifle the same and ended up with two groups one above the other but small groups. Five shots I would have been happy. So don't blame the rifle. you still have to do your part. Some of you have to say to yourself I'm here to shoot and have fun, not my rifle is a piece of crap and won't shoot. Seen more guys quite shooting because they have to win all the time. relax and just enjoy shooting!
Joe Salt
Joe Salt
Rule number 10 in our 500m BR shoots is “any competitor caught not having fun will be disqualified”. The majority of the 500m BR shooters also invest a lot of time into there shooting and equipment but rule number 10 still hasn’t been broken yet to my knowledge. Winning is nice but it’s not everything. I agree with the OP in some respects though as getting a gun to shoot can be frustrating but the sport wouldn’t keep us coming back for more if it was easy!
dmoran
Donovan Moran
Things that I have done and seen that improved barrels:
- new crown (several times I have seen this to hold up, and a couple times where it grossly improved performance)
- new chamber (2 occasions seen a new chamber grossly improved a barrel)
- muzzle brakes: have seen barrels that would not shoot as well with a brake on
- barrel tuners: have seen barrels that would not shoot as well with a tuner on
IMO, if a barrel isn't showing promise within the first 200-rounds or less, it needs addressed or replaced.
New crown story: One of my current and best barrels to date, started out shooting respectable and was seeing 3" groups at 1000yds right out of the gate with it. At about 125-rounds noticed it seemed not to be shooting as good. One morning took it to my range and shot 3 groups, all in the 5" range. Took the barrel off, cut a new crown, and took it back to the range (a couple hours later) for 3 more groups, that all went in the 3's. Prior to cutting that new crown, two of us inspected the original crown hard with a 10X loupe and a 25X bore-scope, neither of us could see any issue. But the results on the target sure told a different story after cutting a new crown.
My 2-Cents
- new crown (several times I have seen this to hold up, and a couple times where it grossly improved performance)
- new chamber (2 occasions seen a new chamber grossly improved a barrel)
- muzzle brakes: have seen barrels that would not shoot as well with a brake on
- barrel tuners: have seen barrels that would not shoot as well with a tuner on
IMO, if a barrel isn't showing promise within the first 200-rounds or less, it needs addressed or replaced.
New crown story: One of my current and best barrels to date, started out shooting respectable and was seeing 3" groups at 1000yds right out of the gate with it. At about 125-rounds noticed it seemed not to be shooting as good. One morning took it to my range and shot 3 groups, all in the 5" range. Took the barrel off, cut a new crown, and took it back to the range (a couple hours later) for 3 more groups, that all went in the 3's. Prior to cutting that new crown, two of us inspected the original crown hard with a 10X loupe and a 25X bore-scope, neither of us could see any issue. But the results on the target sure told a different story after cutting a new crown.
My 2-Cents
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Dang, that was my only hope!
Seriously though, I've got a 6BRA in this works (my first 6mm). Looking forward to trying it when it comes in and appreciate all you guys and your openness in sharing what you have learned about what works and what doesn't.
CaptainMal
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What Alex and BR1 said is correct. I declined to stop using that barrel. Just kept on testing. Actually learned some doing it but never got decent results. Agree with many I was the dummy (Harry) that should have stopped earlier.
Now, I do not know the issues with the other two local shooters also having issues getting their BRA's to shoot. BR1 knows them and may know more than me. Also aware of another shooter, Doug Bell, who did lots of testing and then went north for the Summer without much success either.
Seems the best is BT1 and his results sure show his abilities. His name is Steve, not Harry.
By this Fall I will be re-barrelled, chambered and going at it again. I did not give up, just noting to others, as stated by some...the BRA alone does not make it easy.
Now, I do not know the issues with the other two local shooters also having issues getting their BRA's to shoot. BR1 knows them and may know more than me. Also aware of another shooter, Doug Bell, who did lots of testing and then went north for the Summer without much success either.
Seems the best is BT1 and his results sure show his abilities. His name is Steve, not Harry.
By this Fall I will be re-barrelled, chambered and going at it again. I did not give up, just noting to others, as stated by some...the BRA alone does not make it easy.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
I think a 600yd record just got totally smashed by a bra so all hope is not lost.
I think you can take BRA out of the title and incert Dasher, 6BR, BRX, BRDX, GRINCH or any other cartridge you can think of and the statement would still hold true.
As far as I’m concerned the BRA is not a bad way to go!
Bart
As far as I’m concerned the BRA is not a bad way to go!
Bart
mikeeg02
Michael Glantz
There is a lot of truth in the above statement. I shot dasher last year and was thrilled with performance. The only reason I did the br-ackley this year is in hopes of easier to form, more uniform brass, and maybe another hundred or so rounds of accurate barrel life. The latter not being critical, Ill rebarrel every year as I believe they are a wear item.
Statistically, I intend on it being a similar performer to the dasher. Barrel depending.
dedeadeye
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A couple years ago I had a new Dasher barrel fitted to a proven platform. Barrel was from one of the top makers. After 150 rounds of great components it was junk. Another 50 of loss of time and $$$ it was still junk. I finally broke down and call the owner. His words to me were this.
"Roger, how many years have you been doing this?" I told him 43. His exact next words were " You should know better. If it does'nt shoot in the first 100 give up on it."
Now that may be an extreme, but today your time, travel, components are very expensive. The time cannot ever be replaced and for me after 100 rounds with my best stuff and no positive improvements/ results, it is in the trash.
Roger Gower
"Roger, how many years have you been doing this?" I told him 43. His exact next words were " You should know better. If it does'nt shoot in the first 100 give up on it."
Now that may be an extreme, but today your time, travel, components are very expensive. The time cannot ever be replaced and for me after 100 rounds with my best stuff and no positive improvements/ results, it is in the trash.
Roger Gower
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away
Ecclesiastes 3:6
King Solomen knew...
Ecclesiastes 3:6
King Solomen knew...
I had talked myself into the Dasher as my first 6mm, but this is one of the reasons I changed to the BRA as well.
Time is a finite commodity
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I have been following this post this barrel in question what class do you shoot in the 600yd with this particular barrel.
CaptainMal
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Class is by weight. The rifle weighs under 17 lbs and is eligible in both light and heavy weight classes.
QUOTE="CaptainMal, post: 37215224, member: 1277864"]Class is by weight. The rifle weighs under 17 lbs and is eligible in both light and heavy weight classes.[/QUOTE]
Larry,
I hope that barrel is now designated bra FF only. Brake out one of your old Dashers and have some fun until you start the whole frustrating break-in and load development on the new bra barrel. Oh joy, ha, ha. You know, the sad part is the next one may be just as bad. I do not wish that on anyone, but there are no guaranties
As all the gunsmiths will say, you must have at least one new barrel broken in and a reasonable tune at ALL times.
Steve
Larry,
I hope that barrel is now designated bra FF only. Brake out one of your old Dashers and have some fun until you start the whole frustrating break-in and load development on the new bra barrel. Oh joy, ha, ha. You know, the sad part is the next one may be just as bad. I do not wish that on anyone, but there are no guaranties
As all the gunsmiths will say, you must have at least one new barrel broken in and a reasonable tune at ALL times. Steve
I'll stick with my .243
Do you even shoot 600 or 1000 yard BR? The rate of fire will kill a 243 pretty fast. Matt
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