Bolts without ejector

[Sebrock]

I see that many F Class and BR rifles have no ejector. What is the advantage? A more square bolt face and easier to open and chamber the rifle with less movement? And does a bolt/action need to be purchased that way or can you just remove the extractor from the bolt? And if you have a high quality action, is there any advantage from removing it?

 

[Shooter13]

Are you talking about an extractor or ejector?

 

[Sebrock]

Are you talking about an extractor or ejector?

I apologize. Ejector. Will change thread.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

I have both. But I prefer the extractor only. I dont like being distracted by looking for good brass - " where did that go?". It also helps with the speed - slowing down, putting the fired case in the box, selecting the next round, chambering, closing bolt - feeling the round chamber.

My FTR is a left ejector. I must get round to removing it. No panic, it's about to get a new barrel.

 

[Sebrock]

I have both. But I prefer the extractor only. I dont like being distracted by looking for good brass - " where did that go?". It also helps with the speed - slowing down, putting the fired case in the box, selecting the next round, chambering, closing bolt - feeling the round chamber.

My FTR is a left ejector. I must get round to removing it. No panic, it's about to get a new barrel.

That makes a lot of sense. And did you remove the ejector yourself or get the bolt and action built that way?

 

[Shooter13]

I have both. But I prefer the extractor only

I like drop ports

 

[Walt Krafft]

I like an ejector. There is plenty of time to pick up your brass after the string is finished. Properly tuned and worked the brass will make a nice pile next to the rifle.

 

[jackieschmidt]

For years, Benchrest Shooters shot non ejector actions for easy of loading at the bench. When I first started Benchrest some25 years ago, ejectors were quite rare. Most custom actions were non eject.

Now, they are more common than not. Another innovation of the past 10 to 15 years has been the drop port. For a straight up Benchrest Rifle, it might be the best thing going.

I am not sure what the validity of it is, but when I first started shooting,I had a 40x action. I was told to take the ejector plunger out because it cocked the case in the chamber. That always sounded far fetched.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

That makes a lot of sense. And did you remove the ejector yourself or get the bolt and action built that way?

My Barnard P ws built extractor only. It's in 6BR, so theres plenty of room to collect the brass. The FTR 308 is a Barnard S with 2 ports and ejects left - I thought that I would give it a try.

 

[argh]

Some like non eject as it doesn't put a sideways load on the case..... but really I have never seen that as a problem.
If you want to run a condition, get an ejector, learn to pick up your brass after a string, less movements in reloading, less chance of upsetting your rifle in the bags when reloading, and far quicker to get back on target if conditions suit.

 

[1shot]

Being a lowly knuckle dragging sling shooter, none of my rifles have ejectors. It's a sequence of events issue for me. I do the following while watching the conditions. The round goes on the loading tray, close the bolt, shoulder the rifle, take a final look at the conditions, send it. Come out of recoil/follow thru, start watching the conditions and hope your target goes in the hole. Open the bolt, remove the empty, grab the next one and repeat the procedure. This repetitive series of actions leaves my 'ol brain clear to focus on important stuff and not concern myself with things that ultimately gets lost in the "noise".
I hope this helps,

Lloyd

 

[Terry]

Some can be turned off and on. If you don't want an ejector, it can be replaced with a pin.

 

[moondog]

Kelbly's has a unique non-spring ejector method on their actions. If you run the bolt slow, you can pick it out of the load port.
If you run it hard, it'll toss the brass into the next county.

 

[Nowhere Man]

I don't want my brass in the dirt or hitting the concrete.

 

[Sebrock]

OK - so other than a better handling of the brass, wether you don't want it to shoot out or you want to slow the process down, is there any other advantage? Sounds like the ejector puts pressure on one side of the case and doesnt square up the round is either a wives tale or not applicable with the improvement in quality in actions or a very good action. Is that correct?

 

[JMayo]

Hard to figure out if op is talking ejector button or extractor.

All the br guys i know don't like picking brass out of the loading ramp. Some have drop ports, Weaker springs on ejector button.

Extractor has to be there.

All have "catchers" on the bench made from kitten bed, towels, pool noodles and several home made bedding so brass doesn't get damaged.
Thinly cut necks fold up easily.

Never heard of any concern with what Ejectors do to the loading process except when finding lands when deciding bullet seating. Extractors hold the shell so it can be inserted without putting marks on bullet during process.

If a piece of brass does reach the floor it is followed by a firm call out of
... "CHIT".....
I think this is mandatory....idk !

 

[Sebrock]

Hard to figure out if op is talking ejector button or extractor.

All the br guys i know don't like picking brass out of the loading ramp. Some have drop ports, Weaker springs on ejector button.

Extractor has to be there.

All have "catchers" on the bench made from kitten bed, towels, pool noodles and several home made bedding so brass doesn't get damaged.
Thinly cut necks fold up easily.

Never heard of any concern with what Ejectors do to the loading process except when finding lands when deciding bullet seating. Extractors hold the shell so it can be inserted without putting marks on bullet during process.

If a piece of brass does reach the floor it is followed by a firm call out of
... "CHIT".....
I think this is mandatory....idk !

Thanks - Yes I was talking about ejector. This was very helpful thank you.

 

[joshb]

I really like a left port, left eject. I’m still coordinated enough to open the bolt, catch the empty, return it to the box and grab the next round. Well.......most of the time.

 

[NorCalMikie]

No "ejector"? No chasing brass. It stays on the bolt head till YOU pick it off.
You can also lighten the "ejector spring" so the brass just kinda flops out of the action. All of my rigs are single shot and set up that way. YMMV.

 

[MGYSGT]

You can clip a coil or two off the ejector spring and make the brass land where you want it. I prefer to remove my ejector, but I know plenty of folks that clip the spring so the cartridge just falls out of the gun.

edit: guess I should have read the post above before all that typing.