Body Die + Neck Sizing vs FLR Die

[rsmithsr50]

why would having a giant jump to the lands be a good thing for bulk ammo ??

Barrels for all my precision AR's are .223 barrels.

Wilde is a great chamber if you want to be able to shoot bulk 5.56 ammo too.

Truth is all those chambers vary wildly unless you purchase a premium .223 barrel.

Here is an interesting article about the difference

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/5-56-vs-223/

 

[tomswede]

no some ar's are target rifles, designed to be shot from a bench. the wylde chamber makes a mile jump for all lite bullets by design . it is a very poor choice for a short range target shooter. no benchrest shooter would build a rifle with a built in massive jump for the bullet they intend to use, why do the same in TARGET AR ? just dumb.
there is a terible down side to the chamber, you cannot get a lite bullet close to the lands.
listen to the words,TARGET AR, not mil long range nor blasting ar.

Guess there are some people shooting AR’s off s bench at short range, why one wonders? An AR is not and never will be a BR rifle. Mine shoot mag length loads just fine. But it’s not a intended to be shot off a bench. The Wylde chamber is very dominant in NRA highpower being able to handle both mag length and single load heavier bullets, those are Target rifles.
For people shooting bull ammo the chamber does not matter.

 

[Richard Coody]

why would having a giant jump to the lands be a good thing for bulk ammo ??

Did.you read the article

The way they created the 5.56 from the .223 was by lengthening the throat. Giving that bullet a long.jump decreases pressures. Roy weatherby's claim to fame. That is the only difference between a .223 and a 5.56 chamber. The throat and freebore.

 

[rsmithsr50]

just because YOU do not own nor shoot a target ar, does not mean they are not out there. ask a guy using one for p-dogs how they do. and you just supported my position the wylde chamber is good for MIL MATCHES..200/300/600 FROM A SINGLE GUN. and nothing else. some of us actually like to hit what we aim at.
why shoot off a bench?? to see just how good you can shoot, hunting rifle, bench rest rifle or ar plain and simple. maybe tuff for some to understand.
just as high power 200/300 600 yard ar rifles have nothing to do with "issue" ar's, target ar's have little to do with civilian common ar's. do some reading .

Guess there are some people shooting AR’s off s bench at short range, why one wonders? An AR is not and never will be a BR rifle. Mine shoot mag length loads just fine. But it’s not a intended to be shot off a bench. The Wylde chamber is very dominant in NRA highpower being able to handle both mag length and single load heavier bullets, those are Target rifles.
For people shooting bull ammo the chamber does not matter.

 

[rsmithsr50]

lol me thinks you need more reading.
the 223 is the civilian version of 5.56.
223 developed after /based on 5.56

Did.you read the article

The way they created the 5.56 from the .223 was by lengthening the throat. Giving that bullet a long.jump decreases pressures. Roy weatherby's claim to fame. That is the only difference between a .223 and a 5.56 chamber. The throat and freebore.

 

[tomswede]

just because YOU do not own nor shoot a target ar, does not mean they are not out there. ask a guy using one for p-dogs how they do. and you just supported my position the wylde chamber is good for MIL MATCHES..200/300/600 FROM A SINGLE GUN. and nothing else. some of us actually like to hit what we aim at.
why shoot off a bench?? to see just how good you can shoot, hunting rifle, bench rest rifle or ar plain and simple. maybe tuff for some to understand.
just as high power 200/300 600 yard ar rifles have nothing to do with "issue" ar's, target ar's have little to do with civilian common ar's. do some reading .

And nothing else? I beg to differ, my space gun is a target AR. So you choose to insult all highpower shooters as not wanting to hit what we aim at? Have you seen the scores and groups frequently shot with AR’s at highpower matches?
And what is a MIL MATCH?
The comment was an AR off a bench, not exactly a BR rifle.
Sounded to me that the OP was building a middle of the road AR.

 

[LVLAaron]

An AR is not and never will be a BR rifle.

 

[bozo699]

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The six ppc boys would eat that for lunch If you’re calling it a Benchrest rifle But it’s a very impressive AR group!... Wish my old black gun but shoot that good ;-)
Wayne

 

[tomswede]

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Yes they can and do shoot very well. I really like mine ( bad chamber and all). But if the purpose is BR it would not be my choice.
The AR platform is amazingly versatile.

 

[rsmithsr50]

your space gun is a poor target rifle as you shoot at a 2 moa 10 ring. there I said it. it cannot keep up with a 600 yd benchrest rifle.
you keep mixing apples and oranges to justify your comments.
my target ars shoot little groups, 1 and 2's not 2 moa.
high power is a mil match, mil 2 moa targets for the 10 ring.

space is a good name for it, space between the bullet holes.
now stop and lets get back to discussing his rifle.



["swede, post: 37728419, member: 1282781"]And nothing else? I beg to differ, my space gun is a target AR. So you choose to insult all highpower shooters as not wanting to hit what we aim at? Have you seen the scores and groups frequently shot with AR’s at highpower matches?
And what is a MIL MATCH?
The comment was an AR off a bench, not exactly a BR rifle.
Sounded to me that the OP was building a middle of the road AR.[/QUOTE]

 

[tomswede]

your space gun is a poor target rifle as you shoot at a 2 moa 10 ring. there I said it. it cannot keep up with a 600 yd benchrest rifle.
you keep mixing apples and oranges to justify your comments.
my target ars shoot little groups, 1 and 2's not 2 moa.
high power is a mil match, mil 2 moa targets for the 10 ring.

space is a good name for it, space between the bullet holes.
now stop and lets get back to discussing his rifle.



["swede, post: 37728419, member: 1282781"]And nothing else? I beg to differ, my space gun is a target AR. So you choose to insult all highpower shooters as not wanting to hit what we aim at? Have you seen the scores and groups frequently shot with AR’s at highpower matches?
And what is a MIL MATCH?
The comment was an AR off a bench, not exactly a BR rifle.
Sounded to me that the OP was building a middle of the road AR.

[/QUOTE]
Guess you are one of those so there is no reason to argue. The target is 2 MOA, we shoot without support and need a lot better accuracy than that. My AR is about 1/2 MOA rifle, I doubt that your shoots what you say on a regular basis but be that as it may. The question is if you are a BR shooter what are you doing with an AR.
But you for sure know best and we highpower shooters have crappy rifles and don’t care if we hit something or not.
Mil match is something you came up with, nobody else is using that term.

 

[tomswede]

your space gun is a poor target rifle as you shoot at a 2 moa 10 ring. there I said it. it cannot keep up with a 600 yd benchrest rifle.
you keep mixing apples and oranges to justify your comments.
my target ars shoot little groups, 1 and 2's not 2 moa.
high power is a mil match, mil 2 moa targets for the 10 ring.

space is a good name for it, space between the bullet holes.
now stop and lets get back to discussing his rifle.



["swede, post: 37728419, member: 1282781"]And nothing else? I beg to differ, my space gun is a target AR. So you choose to insult all highpower shooters as not wanting to hit what we aim at? Have you seen the scores and groups frequently shot with AR’s at highpower matches?
And what is a MIL MATCH?
The comment was an AR off a bench, not exactly a BR rifle.
Sounded to me that the OP was building a middle of the road AR.

[/QUOTE]
Forgot to mention, your great AR with the short chamber is doing that at 600 with the light weight bullets that your short chamber allows? Think you are full of it.