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Blurry picture not reticle

Snowleopard61

Hi guys , I have an older Widefield 2x7 that was refurbed by Iron Site about
a year ago . I had some problems with a Ceracote job chipping so I took it off my hunting rifle
(in working condition ) My Cote guy re-did the finish and when I got home I tried looking through the scope and from the eyepiece screwed all the way in , to backed off........falling off I never get a sight picture thats even close to focused. The cross hairs come in crystal clear. I asked my Ceracote guy about his process and he said he uses a non oven version for scopes so I am at a loss ?? PLEASE do not tell me to buy a newer scope! I have 11 Illuminators & a few other Widefields that rival Leupold so that won't fly , I have a couple Sightrons , 4 Arkens so I know about "new" .......I know all the Widefield fans will get it! :p Thanks for reading :)
 
jelenko said:
It's a fixed objective? For the view to be blurry doesn't that mean the objective has been moved? Moving the ocular only affects the focus on the reticle.
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Yes on fixed , I should have mentioned , Im no expert or I wouldn't need to post but not a novice either , been messing with these things for 45 yrs or so & never had this happen before . Lens in> mirror >lens out ???? Lenses look clean , no fracture in the fuzzy image I do get?
 
The ocular end is not for bringing the image into focus, but the crosshairs. If it has a parallax adjustment, either on the side or on the big end of the scope, that may help clear the image as well as hopefully remove any parallax at the same time. If not, yes, you might want to send the scope in for a look by the mfg. You'll probably lose the ceracoat but have a new scope. Isn't that a Redfield model? May be able to have it serviced but sounds like you might know that. I suggest reading the manual but since I'm not for sure what scope you have, I won't jump to conclusions about quality, service or function except to say that I don't recall any scope that image clarity is intended to be adjusted by moving the eyepiece end of the scope. They all make a bad one or have one to go bad at times, even the most expensive are not immune.
 
Snowleopard61 said:
Yes on fixed , I should have mentioned , Im no expert or I wouldn't need to post but not a novice either , been messing with these things for 45 yrs or so & never had this happen before . Lens in> mirror >lens out ???? Lenses look clean , no fracture in the fuzzy image I do get?
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Mirror? I don't know about any mirrors inside of any scopes I'm familiar with.
 
If the light rays are working properly :) you can focus the eyepiece for a sharp reticle with nothing else in the field of view, like the sky. Sometimes the eyeball will focus a little off so try it twice (at least).

Now using the parallax adjustment bring the down range image into sharp focus.
This places both in the same plane and apparently laid on top of the reticle.
Think of it as an etched reticle with a target etched on it.

Done properly both will be in sharp focus.
The eyeball being the variable, not the scope.
 
Or something(substance) is on the objective lens distorting the light transmission, when it got there is something you will have to figure out. Possibly a solvent/degreaser that dried on the glass?
 
Rocketvapor said:
If the light rays are working properly :) you can focus the eyepiece for a sharp reticle with nothing else in the field of view, like the sky. Sometimes the eyeball will focus a little off so try it twice (at least).

Now using the parallax adjustment bring the down range image into sharp focus.
This places both in the same plane and apparently laid on top of the reticle.
Think of it as an etched reticle with a target etched on it.

Done properly both will be in sharp focus.
The eyeball being the variable, not the scope.
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There is no parallax adjustment it is a Redfield 2-7 Widefield , I have at least three other widefields within arms reach to test my eyes , they are fine , as are the other scopes.
 
Agree with others, no parallax adjustment and the diopter ocular is solely for the crosshairs. I don't know the specs on the 2-7 but the scopes below 9x, parallax are usually fixed at 75 or 100 yards, Inside that, the image may be unclear. At what distance was it blurry?
 
hogpatrol said:
Agree with others, no parallax adjustment and the diopter ocular is solely for the crosshairs. I don't know the specs on the 2-7 but the scopes below 9x, parallax are usually fixed at 75 or 100 yards, Inside that, the image may be unclear. At what distance was it blurry?
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It is never in focus 15 feet to the moon is blurry
 
gunsandgunsmithing said:
The ocular end is not for bringing the image into focus, but the crosshairs. If it has a parallax adjustment, either on the side or on the big end of the scope, that may help clear the image as well as hopefully remove any parallax at the same time. If not, yes, you might want to send the scope in for a look by the mfg. You'll probably lose the ceracoat but have a new scope. Isn't that a Redfield model? May be able to have it serviced but sounds like you might know that. I suggest reading the manual but since I'm not for sure what scope you have, I won't jump to conclusions about quality, service or function except to say that I don't recall any scope that image clarity is intended to be adjusted by moving the eyepiece end of the scope. They all make a bad one or have one to go bad at times, even the most expensive are not immune.
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I think you called on , I just had one go bad .......but I didn't learn anything if I walk away now! What makes it go bad? That was my point when I mentioned the mirror ...two lenses & a mirror , so there's no mirror ,now we're down to the two lenses that I can see are not broken or dirty , no one has messed with the objective end , it has the circle clip intact and you would need channel locks to spin that end ?
 
Snowleopard61 said:
I think you called on , I just had one go bad .......but I didn't learn anything if I walk away now! What makes it go bad? That was my point when I mentioned the mirror ...two lenses & a mirror , so there's no mirror ,now we're down to the two lenses that I can see are not broken or dirty , no one has messed with the objective end , it has the circle clip intact and you would need channel locks to spin that end ?
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Just off the top of my head here but there are several reasons a scope can go bad. There are lenses inside that you can't see. If one is loose, it can affect image quality as well as poi. Same goes for the other lenses, that you can see. I've seen loose oculars do crazy things, mostly poi related though. I say this respectfully and based on your previous comments but I think there's a lot more that can happen that you fully realize yet. I would send it in and see what they say. What are your other options if it won't focus? Not much to lose and you may well get a new, albeit uncoated scope from it and your main problem is hopefully resolved. If they say it's good, you still learned from it and can investigate further but I'm guessing they'll take care of you. Most scope makers have great warranties these days and several go way beyond what they truly should to take care of their customers. Bottom line, if your scope has a problem, it's not very useful as is, right?
 
Snowleopard61 said:
I never tore one apart ! I assumed they worked like cameras . I still would like to know why it's blurry though.
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My guess is a loose lens but we'd all be guessing without it in our hands and likely having it apart. Even then, it may or may not be obvious. If your goal is to learn, take it apart. If your goal is a good scope, send it in or replace it.
 
I'm assuming you made sure you were either without glasses or using the same pair when you look through this one followed by one that seems fine. Don't ask me how I know that, or for that matter about dirty or fogged glasses. lol
 
Neither the owner of the scope, nor any of us who have responded are scope repair persons. It does not work properly, and the only available adjustment cannot remedy the problem, therefore it will require the services of qualified repair person. BTW a two lens telescope, presents an inverted image to the eye, that is why all rifle scopes have so called erector lenses, that are not visible from the outside. For scopes with a centered reticle, they are in an erector tube that pivots near front of the eyepiece and is controlled at its front by the turrets and a bias spring.
 
Was the scope working correctly before the Ceracote and then not working after the coating? If so something happened during the coating. Fumes could have collected on the lens? Coater could have somehow damaged the scope? Did he remove or attempt to remove the front lens? Maybe it got dropped while out of your possession?

Frank
 
gunsandgunsmithing said:
Just off the top of my head here but there are several reasons a scope can go bad. There are lenses inside that you can't see. If one is loose, it can affect image quality as well as poi. Same goes for the other lenses, that you can see. I've seen loose oculars do crazy things, mostly poi related though. I say this respectfully and based on your previous comments but I think there's a lot more that can happen that you fully realize yet. I would send it in and see what they say. What are your other options if it won't focus? Not much to lose and you may well get a new, albeit uncoated scope from it and your main problem is hopefully resolved. If they say it's good, you still learned from it and can investigate further but I'm guessing they'll take care of you. Most scope makers have great warranties these days and several go way beyond what they truly should to take care of their customers. Bottom line, if your scope has a problem, it's not very useful as is, right?
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GUNSAND~ I think your advice in sending it in is the best advise yet. As you said I can't visually inspect everything that can go wrong so out it goes ! Thanks for taking the time for the write-up as well as thanks to all that submitted opinions! Much appreciated! ~ Snowloepard61
BoydAllen said:
Neither the owner of the scope, nor any of us who have responded are scope repair persons. It does not work properly, and the only available adjustment cannot remedy the problem, therefore it will require the services of qualified repair person. BTW a two lens telescope, presents an inverted image to the eye, that is why all rifle scopes have so called erector lenses, that are not visible from the outside. For scopes with a centered reticle, they are in an erector tube that pivots near front of the eyepiece and is controlled at its front by the turrets and a bias spring.
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All that was why I assumed there was a mirror ~ thank you for clarifying!
 
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