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Bix n Andy triggers question

After reading nothing but good things about the Bix n Andy triggers and how everyone is impressed with them, I am really interested in trying one. I have used Jewell triggers for as long as I can remember and will probably have to try a Bix n Andy to find out for myself what everyone likes about them, but if someone could explain in detail with specifics what they like about them I would appreciate it.

Alan
 
The first time you blank a primer on a B&A, and keep right on shooting, you'll appreciate the difference from your Jewell... :-)

On the other hand, make sure you cover the exposed ports on the B&A with tape. :-/ Not sure I understand that particular design decision.

And last, so far as I am aware, there is no procedure for "blue-printing" a B&A. Because it doesn't need it. To get the most out of your Jewell, there is some work that needs to be done.

(It's possible some guys have some stuff they do to their B&A to make it "better", and maybe they'll chime in, but I haven't heard of anything yet, nor have I felt like it needed it).
 
Alan,

I replaced my Jewell because it became an object of interest during each shot - it almost never released at exactly the same point. When pull testing, it was 3 ounces +/- about 1/2 to 3/4 ounce. My B&A always releases at 35 grams (about 1.25 ounces). I no longer even think about.

Dennis
 
After reading nothing but good things about the Bix n Andy triggers and how everyone is impressed with them, I am really interested in trying one. I have used Jewell triggers for as long as I can remember and will probably have to try a Bix n Andy to find out for myself what everyone likes about them, but if someone could explain in detail with specifics what they like about them I would appreciate it.

Alan
Alan. The way a B&A differs from other triggers is that the B&A has significantly less upward force on the cocking piece than any other trigger on the market, regardless of the trigger weight setting. The 2 balls inside the housing holds huge amounts of downward force while still using a very light reset spring. With a typical Jewell trigger you will have 4x more force on the cocking piece. Less upward force is going to translate into better accuracy. That's what Chris Harris of Bullet Central told me over the phone the few times that we talked about triggers. He told me that he did tests with other triggers and some of them had as much as 10x the upward pressure that the B&A has. I own 10 short range bench rifles and all but 1 wear B&A triggers. I bought a Flavio Fare' to try out and while it is very well made and feels great, it is narrow like a Jewell, (I like a wide trigger) and Chris said that he did tests on that trigger and it had more upward pressure on it than the B&A but not as much as a Jewell. I got hooked on them from one of the gunsmith's that I use Dwight Scott. He told me when he was building a new rifle for me in early 2013 that he could rework an older Jewell to where it was really slick, but he told me that as good as that was, it still didn't even come close to a out of the box B&A trigger. That's saying a lot.
 
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Thanks everybody for the info., I'm sold, so it's time to start saving and working on convincing the wife I really really need this trigger ;)

Alan
 
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Sure'd be nice if Gruenig & Elmer's were easier to obtain here in the US. Even if still pricey.

Considering a B&A now against another CG Extreme, or Tubb's T7T. Prefer two-stage.
 
I got frustrated with the Jewells locking up after blanking primers. Didn't happened often but is a PIA when it does. dkhunt recommended I try the B&A and so far I'm glad I did.

Like Jim said above, it is hard to describe but immediately noticeable. I recently picked up a couple from Roger and had doubts that I would be able to notice/feel the difference between the two triggers. Even with the weight set the same you can feel the difference.

The other day a buddy who is a forum member stopped by my house and I put twos rifle on the bench. One with a Jewell and the other with a B&A. Both with the same weight of pull. Asked him to dry fire to see if he could notice the difference. All it took was one trigger squeeze on each rifle and there was no doubt.

Testing and match results in 2017 will let me know if they are worth the extra coin.

The Jewell is still a very good trigger and I'll continue to use them (I ran out of Harleys to sell to fund my shooting addiction)

Good Shooting

Rich
 
I got frustrated with the Jewells locking up after blanking primers. Didn't happened often but is a PIA when it does. dkhunt recommended I try the B&A and so far I'm glad I did.

Like Jim said above, it is hard to describe but immediately noticeable. I recently picked up a couple from Roger and had doubts that I would be able to notice/feel the difference between the two triggers. Even with the weight set the same you can feel the difference.

The other day a buddy who is a forum member stopped by my house and I put twos rifle on the bench. One with a Jewell and the other with a B&A. Both with the same weight of pull. Asked him to dry fire to see if he could notice the difference. All it took was one trigger squeeze on each rifle and there was no doubt.

Testing and match results in 2017 will let me know if they are worth the extra coin.

The Jewell is still a very good trigger and I'll continue to use them (I ran out of Harleys to sell to fund my shooting addiction)

Good Shooting

Rich
The thing is, this trigger is a better mousetrap. In my mind my rifles are equipped with the best available trigger out there. Will it turn your rifle into some super shooting machine after you install it, No. It's the nut behind the trigger that's going to determine that. Look at Tony Boyer. He use to use Jewell triggers, he wouldn't use anything but a B&A now. Did it make him any better, NO. He's just the gifted shooter that he always has been. He would win with either trigger installed.
 
A lot of great points already made here, and all true in my opinion. One thing nobody has mentioned or asked themselves... Are my rifles agging better since the "upgrade"? Mine have!

Tom
You beat me to it Tom, sometimes it's only fractions but the fractions add up and at the end of the day or days, it's all about the agg.
 
A lot of great points already made here, and all true in my opinion. One thing nobody has mentioned or asked themselves... Are my rifles agging better since the "upgrade"? Mine have!

Tom
I don't know if I can honestly say the rifle is shooting better with a B&A vs a Jewell. One weekend I will shoot lights out, the next weekend not so good. Nobody can explain it. The conditions are never the same twice let's face it. Some days things just go your way for whatever reason. There are a million different variables that people keep guessing at. Nobody knows for sure what's what. Like I said you can't honestly explain to anybody why one weekend you kicked everyone's ass and the next weekend you got your ass handed to you. IMO the only way you could tell if the rifle shoots better is to take all the human error out of the equation. Shooting in a machine rest, in a tunnel, say shooting five 10 round groups each with each trigger then measuring the results.
 
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