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Berger Hunting VLD vs Classic Hunter

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Does anyone have experience using both these bullets on game? The 185 HVLDs group just fine in my 300wm and i have taken one deer with them. So, i tried the 185 Classic Hunters on paper and they group much better than VLDs. I'm curious how the Classics perform on critters.

Matt
 
They should work the same. I believe they made the classic hunter because it gives a shorter loaded round for magazines. They VLD is longer with the price out farther and gives a longer loaded length to rifling. The VLD also seems to be little more touchy to seating depth for it to shoot great in some rifles. Matt
 
They should work the same. I believe they made the classic hunter because it gives a shorter loaded round for magazines. They VLD is longer with the price out farther and gives a longer loaded length to rifling. The VLD also seems to be little more touchy to seating depth for it to shoot great in some rifles. Matt
Have you personally used the Classic Hunter bullets?
 
Does anyone have experience using both these bullets on game? The 185 HVLDs group just fine in my 300wm and i have taken one deer with them. So, i tried the 185 Classic Hunters on paper and they group much better than VLDs. I'm curious how the Classics perform on critters.

Matt

I have loaded the 168 classic hunter in my son's 7mmRUM, simply because the hybrid was easier to jump in the RUMs long throat than the VLD. At RUM velocities, he had two total jacket separations on a big mule deer @ 200 yds and an antelope @ 225. Both DRT, but he's changing bullets, just in case any more short shots show up.

He's shooting the 210 gr. HVLDs in his 300 wm, but the most popular bullet seems to be the 215 Hybrid. If you want to shoot the lighter,faster 180, I would look at the 180 Elite Hunter.
 
I have loaded the 168 classic hunter in my son's 7mmRUM, simply because the hybrid was easier to jump in the RUMs long throat than the VLD. At RUM velocities, he had two total jacket separations on a big mule deer @ 200 yds and an antelope @ 225. Both DRT, but he's changing bullets, just in case any more short shots show up.

He's shooting the 210 gr. HVLDs in his 300 wm, but the most popular bullet seems to be the 215 Hybrid. If you want to shoot the lighter,faster 180, I would look at the 180 Elite Hunter.
How fast where you pushing the 168s in that 7mm RUM?
 
I'm going to. Just curious if they rapidly expand like the VLDs.
All Berger Hunting bullets perform on game the same way :
HUNTING BULLETS
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The Hunting bullet line is proving to be the most lethal big game hunting bullets available. All of our Hunting bullets are made in the VLD or Hybrid designs. These designs incorporate a sharp nose and slightly thinner jacket that allows the bullet to penetrate 2” to 3” before it starts to expand. After the bullet starts to expand it will shed 40% to 85% of its weight as shrapnel into the surrounding tissue (internal organ). The combination between the shrapnel and the hydrostatic shock produces a massive wound cavity within the vital area (internal organs) that will be 13” to 15” long. This massive wound cavity results in the animal dropping fast since most go into shock after such a tremendous blow. Those animals that don’t go down immediately will soon succumb to blood pressure loss and/or organ failure producing a quick ethical kill. Our bullets don’t poke through like an arrow (high weight retention, deep penetration bullets) but instead dump their energy where it is most effective, inside the animal. Using the Berger VLD will result in an animal that goes down fast so you can enjoy the results of your hunt without having to track the wounded animal after the shot. You owe it to yourself to see how accurate and deadly the Berger Hunting VLD will be on your next hunt.
CLASSIC HUNTER BULLET DESIGN
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For the first time in Berger’s history, we have purposefully designed a line of hunting bullets that conform to the restrictive dimensional standards set by SAAMI. These bullets were designed for hunters that shoot factory rifles and load at magazine lengths. The Classic Hunter bullets are made with a shorter Hybrid shape nose that comply with SAAMI standards; providing hunters the highest ballistic performance possible in factory rifles and standard magazine lengths.
Hope this answers your questions. If not, please feel free to contact us any time.
Take care,
 
This is totally from my experience with both VLD Hunting and Classic Hunter bullets in 7mm. I shoot the 7mm 168gr VLD Hunter in my 7X300WSM at 3150 fps. I shoot the 7mm 168gr Classic Hunter in my 7mm-08 at 2850 fps. I have shoot 2 deer and 1 pronghorn with the vld and 1 elk with the classic. All 3 animals I shot with the VLD died right on the spot, all 3 were good broadside shots at 150 to 250 yards. All 3 bullets caused massive internal damage to the point that the lungs and heart where jelly. The elk with the classic, not so much. He was broadside at 40 yards walking very slowly when I shot him the first shot. This shot went through 1 lung and into the far shoulder breaking it but not doing a tremendous amount of damage. The second shot was 2 inches behind that shot, hit 1 rib, front of the liver and back end of the far lung before hitting a rib on the far side and powdering. The third shot was straight on as the animal turned and looked at me, I hit him just to 1 side of the brisket and the bullet exploded just inside the skin and didn't penetrate through the ribcage. The forth shot was in the opposite shoulder from the first 2. This bullet hit him right behind the shoulder, hit a rib and exploded, causing nothing more than superficial wounds. These 4 shots were all within 40 yards. The 5th and final shot was a Texas Heart shot at about 200 yards that penetrated 2 inches right of his hole and entered the right rear flank. This bullet actually caused some serious damage and is what killed him. He bled out in seconds. Yeah he would have died from the 2 punched lunges eventually but he would have been a long ways from where I shot him when he did.

Take this all with a giant grain of salt as there are at least 1,000,000 variables to how a bullet performs on impact but I can tell you that I will not be using the classic hunters anymore.
 
I have shot deer with the 168 HVLD out of a 280AI. No problems. Am trying the 135gr Classic Hunter in my 6.5x47 on paper this weekend. Going to try RL 16 and H4350. I found the HVLD 130 to be very sensitive to seating depth. I may try the 168 Classic Hunter in my 280 AI just for grins. I have not measured the OAL on the 135 CH as loaded in my 6.5x47. By comparator I have them .020" off of a .172" freebore for testing load weights. I have never had a mag length issue with the 6.5x47. It is brilliantly a short enough case to keep you out of OAL trouble.
 
This is totally from my experience with both VLD Hunting and Classic Hunter bullets in 7mm. I shoot the 7mm 168gr VLD Hunter in my 7X300WSM at 3150 fps. I shoot the 7mm 168gr Classic Hunter in my 7mm-08 at 2850 fps. I have shoot 2 deer and 1 pronghorn with the vld and 1 elk with the classic. All 3 animals I shot with the VLD died right on the spot, all 3 were good broadside shots at 150 to 250 yards. All 3 bullets caused massive internal damage to the point that the lungs and heart where jelly. The elk with the classic, not so much. He was broadside at 40 yards walking very slowly when I shot him the first shot. This shot went through 1 lung and into the far shoulder breaking it but not doing a tremendous amount of damage. The second shot was 2 inches behind that shot, hit 1 rib, front of the liver and back end of the far lung before hitting a rib on the far side and powdering. The third shot was straight on as the animal turned and looked at me, I hit him just to 1 side of the brisket and the bullet exploded just inside the skin and didn't penetrate through the ribcage. The forth shot was in the opposite shoulder from the first 2. This bullet hit him right behind the shoulder, hit a rib and exploded, causing nothing more than superficial wounds. These 4 shots were all within 40 yards. The 5th and final shot was a Texas Heart shot at about 200 yards that penetrated 2 inches right of his hole and entered the right rear flank. This bullet actually caused some serious damage and is what killed him. He bled out in seconds. Yeah he would have died from the 2 punched lunges eventually but he would have been a long ways from where I shot him when he did.

Take this all with a giant grain of salt as there are at least 1,000,000 variables to how a bullet performs on impact but I can tell you that I will not be using the classic hunters anymore.
At 40 yards, you are much too close to expect that bullet to do it's thing.
 
At 40 yards, you are much too close to expect that bullet to do it's thing.

40y with a 7-08 is probably similar speed to 7/300 at 200y. I have always been told that the Berger Hunting bullet is not designed for high velocity impacts. Sounds like this Elk somewhat proved the point. This said, an Elk is a slightly larger critter than a pronghorn or a whitetail. I have seen Elk go down to the vid on television. They have all been long range shots. My recent experience causes me to prefer the more frangible bullets on whitetail. Wish I had personal Elk data. That was a compliant Elk to hang around for 5 shots. I would hate to lose an any big game but an Elk seems like would be a bigger blow.
 
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I have loaded the 168 classic hunter in my son's 7mmRUM, simply because the hybrid was easier to jump in the RUMs long throat than the VLD. At RUM velocities, he had two total jacket separations on a big mule deer @ 200 yds and an antelope @ 225. Both DRT, but he's changing bullets, just in case any more short shots show up.

He's shooting the 210 gr. HVLDs in his 300 wm, but the most popular bullet seems to be the 215 Hybrid. If you want to shoot the lighter,faster 180, I would look at the 180 Elite Hunter.
 
This is bullet found in 220 yd. antelope. Looks exactly like the 168 CH found in mule deer.

I am a big fan of Berger bullets for hunting. Just saying at close ranges, there was complete separation, but it killed them dead.
 
I shot 15 135gr Classic Hunters out of my 6.5Lapua hunting rifle today. Was mainly taking my son to shoot. Was 90+ degrees and our regular range was down for maintenance. All bullets were seated at same depth. Was just working up for signs of pressure. All but two 3 shot groups were under a half inch @ 100y. Worst group was under .75". Was miserably hot, shaky bench, and had an 8 year old pelting me with questions and requests. This is my first time with the 135 Classic Hunter and I am pleased so far.
 

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