Bat Neuvo and Bat DS differences?

[DngBat7]

What is the difference between the two? Is the Neuvo just a updated version of the Bat DS? Or is the Neuvo for a different discipline or not really for a SR BR gun?

 

[jackieschmidt]

The Neuvo is an entirely different design.
The most prominent difference is the Neuvo‘s locking lugs are in the horizontal position when the bolt is closed.

I have three Neuvo’s, they are a great short range BR action.

Here is my latest.

I Picked This Up Today From Our Local FFL!

I have been wanting a drop port on my Rail Gun, so I called Bullet Central last week and got a new Bat Neuvo. In less than a week it arrived at my local FFL. I had previously robbed a Neuvo from one of my Bag Guns, a Right Left Right Eject. It shoots great, But it had a bolt face for both PPC...

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[DngBat7]

The Neuvo is an entirely different design.
The most prominent difference is the Neuvo‘s locking lugs are in the horizontal position when the bolt is closed.

I have three Neuvo’s, they are a great short range BR action.

Here is my latest.

I Picked This Up Today From Our Local FFL!

I have been wanting a drop port on my Rail Gun, so I called Bullet Central last week and got a new Bat Neuvo. In less than a week it arrived at my local FFL. I had previously robbed a Neuvo from one of my Bag Guns, a Right Left Right Eject. It shoots great, But it had a bolt face for both PPC...

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Jackie. When you say differences. Are they just differences? Or improvements over the older Bat DS?

 

[BoydAllen]

The Neuvo is a fat bolt (bolt body the same diameter as the lugs, like the three lug BATs) two lug action with the lugs horizontal when the bolt is closed. This means that unlike typical two lug actions both lugs make contact with their abutments when in the action is in cocked position (at least their lower edges) On a typical, vertical lug locked up action, such as all the other two lug BATs, in cocked position only the bottom lug is touching its seat because of the angle of interpose between the top lever of the trigger and the cocking piece. With that angle, the back of the bolt is forced upward by pressure from the cocked firing pin spring, to the point where contact with the inside of action body stops it. The thought is that having contact on both lugs at the start of firing is better. On the other hand, the record of conventional actions is so good that this is not yet proven. There are other differences but those are the main ones.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Jackie. When you say differences. Are they just differences? Or improvements over the older Bat DS?

as Boyd noted, there are specific improvements, mostly centered around the horizontal lugs. The concept is sound in principle and I applaud Bat in their efforts in engineering and design.

Does the Neuvo perform any better than any of the other Bat Actions?

In my opinion, probably not. But I like them

 

[A j shooter]

I was told by a top gunsmith , shooter,
save the 500$ and get the DS .
buy more components

 

[JimPag]

I'll tell you what. I have 30 Benchrest rifles, 16 are Bat Actions. I own 2 Neuvo's, Boyer's and a new build that I received in May from Dwight Scott. Those Neuvo's are the absolute smoothest actions that I have ever owned. I would pay 3000 bucks for a Neuvo action they are that nice. Dan. I'll bring my Neuvo to the match in CT on the 30th and you can check it out for yourself.

I was told by a top gunsmith , shooter,
save the 500$ and get the DS .
buy more components

y

 

[Dusty Stevens]

The neuvo was a blank page design incorporating all the changes dwight scott thought an action should have, not like the DS which was all the modifications he could get from an existing design

 

[A j shooter]

The neuvo was a blank page design incorporating all the changes dwight scott thought an action should have, not like the DS which was all the modifications he could get from an existing design

You know the man I was talking about very well .
he told me to get the DS . So I did , I know of three people that bought the Nuevo and had trouble out the gate.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

You know the man I was talking about very well .
he told me to get the DS . So I did , I know of three people that bought the Nuevo and had trouble out the gate.

You did the right thing

 

[jackieschmidt]

You know the man I was talking about very well .
he told me to get the DS . So I did , I know of three people that bought the Nuevo and had trouble out the gate.

I had two Problems with my first Neuvo, which was one of the first ones when they the market.
It was a R/L/R that would catch either a BR or a PPC. It would extract BR cases fine, but the extractor would not catch a PPC made from Lapua 220 Russia.

The lip of the extractor was simply too close to the bolt face. I set the extractor up in out tool grinder and took about .003 off of the inside of the hook. Problem solved.

Then one day I was at the range and upon extracting a case, the bolt handle broke.

The “handle“ is an aluminum piece with a threaded end screwed into the steel tang on the bolt. When Bat made it, they put far too much undercut on the thread relief. It just snapped.

So I removed the broken piece, machined a new aluminum handle, tapped it, and screwed that into the bolt body with a grade 8 stud.

I never made it pretty. Just left it like this.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I'm a fan of the neuvo. If your having problems that's a gunsmith problem not an action problem. You cant just assemble parts and expect everything to be right. That's just not how it goes. Not only does the neuvo have horizontal lugs but the full diameter bolts have better control of bolt position. They have more pin fall and the shrouds are fit tighter. Lots of other interesting things about them. Hard to prove but they "should" shoot better.

 

[Shooter13]

If your having problems that's a gunsmith problem not an action problem

Hey Alex, as you know I'm "new" at all this but how would the problems that @jackieschmidt is having be a gunsmith problem?

 

[bulaman]

The Neuvo is an entirely different design.
The most prominent difference is the Neuvo‘s locking lugs are in the horizontal position when the bolt is closed.

I have three Neuvo’s, they are a great short range BR action.

Here is my latest.

I Picked This Up Today From Our Local FFL!

I have been wanting a drop port on my Rail Gun, so I called Bullet Central last week and got a new Bat Neuvo. In less than a week it arrived at my local FFL. I had previously robbed a Neuvo from one of my Bag Guns, a Right Left Right Eject. It shoots great, But it had a bolt face for both PPC...

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+1

 

[D Coots]

Bolt lift on Neuvo not 4 me.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Hey Alex, as you know I'm "new" at all this but how would the problems that @jackieschmidt is having be a gunsmith problem?

I wasn't actually referring to Jackie. It was a general statement with regards to different actions, expessialy new ones that can sometimes have bugs to work out. Feeding and ejection are things that should be check and fixed if needed before the customer receives the rifle. Jackie does his own work so that's different, but when I heard a shooter say they have problems with something I dont blame the manufacturer. The way I see it when a rifle leaves my shop it has my name on it and I take full responsibility for every component.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Bolt lift on Neuvo not 4 me.

Theres a lot of spring options. With an equal weight spring they open as good or better than anything. We have found you can go as light as 18 pounds with good accuracy if you dont blank a primer.

 

[Shooter13]

I wasn't actually referring to Jackie. It was a general statement with regards to different actions, expessialy new ones that can sometimes have bugs to work out. Feeding and ejection are things that should be check and fixed if needed before the customer receives the rifle. Jackie does his own work so that's different, but when I heard a shooter say they have problems with something I dont blame the manufacturer. The way I see it when a rifle leaves my shop it has my name on it and I take full responsibility for every component.

Thanks for clearing that up!! I appreciate it.

 

[DngBat7]

Bolt lift on Neuvo not 4 me.

Why?

 

[D Coots]

Heavy bolt lift and didn't shoot any better than a DS. My first DS was serial #13.

All actions are just a kit, a sage shooter once told me. You have to finish them.