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Barrel Break-In

Mike, I think you misread my post. Let me try again. What is in a barrel that requires break in? I'm speaking of custom barrels.
I'm far from an expert and can't give any reasons, but a number of the custom barre Mfg recommend breaking in a barrel.

The closest example would be nearly all new engines recommend some sort of break-in. That applies to production motors and all out race motors.

Since breaking-in is a relatively simple process, I just do it and not worry about, what if.
 
I'm far from an expert and can't give any reasons, but a number of the custom barre Mfg recommend breaking in a barrel.

The closest example would be nearly all new engines recommend some sort of break-in. That applies to production motors and all out race motors.

Since breaking-in is a relatively simple process, I just do it and not worry about, what if.
I do too. Clean every shot until it stops coppering.
Less than 20 usually . That what i use boretec for.
 
What is his method?

 
I follow the barrel maker's instructions for break in no matter what.

I witnessed a phone call from a shooting friend to a major barrel manufacturer once where he had a real dud of a new barrel chambered by an excellent gunsmith. The manufacturer's first question was ".... how did you break in the barrel?" My friend explained the method he used from "some guy" on the internet. The barrel manufacturer replied...... "then maybe you should contact that "some guy" and ask him to warrant your barrel." The conversation went downhill from there needless to say. The manufacturer did replace the barrel for 50% off the replacement, and sent my friend pictures of the damage done to the bad barrel when they got it back. WD
 
I follow the barrel maker's instructions for break in no matter what.

I witnessed a phone call from a shooting friend to a major barrel manufacturer once where he had a real dud of a new barrel chambered by an excellent gunsmith. The manufacturer's first question was ".... how did you break in the barrel?" My friend explained the method he used from "some guy" on the internet. The barrel manufacturer replied...... "then maybe you should contact that "some guy" and ask him to warrant your barrel." The conversation went downhill from there needless to say. The manufacturer did replace the barrel for 50% off the replacement, and sent my friend pictures of the damage done to the bad barrel when they got it back. WD
For me, it would depend on what 'real dud' was.
I'm thinking that breaking in could not make more than a 1/10 -2/10 MOA difference => if the barrel wouldn't group less than 3/4 MOA [or 1/2 MOA from top flight companies like Bartlein, Krieger, etc] and the mfg'er claimed 'in correct break in' as voiding his warranty, that would be the last barrel I ever bought from them and I'd feel free letting others know.
 
For me, it would depend on what 'real dud' was.
I'm thinking that breaking in could not make more than a 1/10 -2/10 MOA difference => if the barrel wouldn't group less than 3/4 MOA [or 1/2 MOA from top flight companies like Bartlein, Krieger, etc] and the mfg'er claimed 'in correct break in' as voiding his warranty, that would be the last barrel I ever bought from them and I'd feel free letting others know.
To this day, I don't believe it was the fault of the barrel maker or the gunsmith. From the targets he showed me the first maybe 20 ish shots the groups didn't look too bad..... maybe 1/4"- 1/2"...... but by the time he had about 200 rounds on it the group sizes were growing to 3"-5" at best at 100yds. And the procedure he used was bizarre. The replacement barrel shot very respectable. WD
 
It baffles me that something as simple as a break-in procedure could even become a controversial subject. This is a result of the internet and everyone going tribal.
It shouldn't matter if it's a truck gun or benchrest rifle because if it was worth a new barrel it's worth a few patches and bullets to do it properly.


In the front of the Gunsmiths Book of Chamber Prints there is a very good section about break-in and cleaning. This information has been passed on from the world's best barrel makers and reamer manufacturers. The original source was the barrel makers guild. Serious shooters and gunsmiths should all take the time to read it.


Barrel break-in is not the correct terminology... it should be called Throat Break-in for a properly lapped barrel.


With any premium lapped barrel the lay of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, very little is done to the bore during break-in but the throat is another story. When your barrel is chambered, there will be some amount of reamer marks left in the throat that are perpendicular to the lands ,i.e. across the direction of the bullet travel. When the bullet is forced into the throat, copper dust is released into the gas, which at this temperature and pressure is actually plasma. The copper dust is vaporized in this gas and is carried down the barrel. As the gas expands and cools, the copper comes out of suspension and is deposited in the bore usually toward the muzzle. This makes it appear as if the source of the fouling is the bore and subsequent bullets and deposits are fired over it. Copper, which adheres well to itself, will build up quickly and may be difficult to remove later. So when we break in a barrel, our goal is to get the throat deburred and polished without allowing copper to build up in the bore. This is the reasoning for the "fire-one-shot-and-clean" procedure.

Barrels will vary slightly in how many rounds they take to break in because of things like slightly different machinability of the steel, or the condition of the chambering reamer, ect... For example a chrome moly barrel may take longer to break in than stainless steel because it is more abrasion resistant even though it is the same hardness. Also chrome moly has a little more of an affinity for copper than stainless steel so it will usually show a little more "color" if you are using a chemical cleaner. Rim Fire barrels can take an extremely long time to break in - - - sometimes requiring several hundred rounds or more. But cleaning can be lengthened to every 25-50 rounds. The break-in procedure and the clearing procedure are really the same except for the frequency. Remember the goal is to get or keep the barrel clean while polishing out the throat.

The best way to break-in the barrel is to observe when the barrel is broken in: i.e when the fouling is reduced. This is better than some set number of cycles of "shoot and clean" as many owners report practically no fouling after the first few shots, and more break-in would be pointless. Conversely, if more is required, a set number would not address that either. Besides, cleaning is not a completely benign procedure so it should be done carefully and no more than necessary.

It is a good idea to just observe what the barrel is telling you with its fouling pattern. But once it is broken in, there is no need to continue breaking it in.

Initially you should perform the shoot-one-shot-and-clean cycle for five cycles. If fouling hasn't reduced, fire five more cycles and so on until fouling begins to drop off. At that point shoot three shots before cleaning and observe. If fouling is reduced, fire five shots before cleaning. It is interesting to shoot groups during the three and five shot cycles.


For the folks that don't believe what is written above... here's how you can verify it.
1. Take one of your old chamber reamers and file a few notches in the throat area of the reamer.
2. Use this modified reamer to rechamber a used barrel that didn't previously show signs of copper.
3. Shoot this modified barrel and now watch it make a crapload of copper toward the muzzle. This effect is even more profound in longer Fclass length barrels.
See attached photo of a test chamber throat that looks like a motocross track.


20190320_174353.jpg

This test throat will never stop making copper and will never break-in.
The copper will show in the last 8-12 inches of the muzzle end but it was caused by the throat.

If your gunsmith handed you something like this and you decided to just start shooting it then you would load the barrel up with so much copper that the barrel would never clean and never show the full accuracy potential. However, if you were doing a break-in process then you would probably realize that something is wrong without filling the barrel up with copper and the throat could be corrected.

The amount of burr or tool marks will vary from chamber reamer to chamber reamer and from gunsmith to gunsmith because technique and tooling determines throat quality. The best gunsmiths normally check their own chamber work with a borecope before pulling the barrel out of the lathe.
 
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It baffles me that something as simple as a break-in procedure could even become a controversial subject. It's a product of the internet and everyone going tribal.
It shouldn't matter if it's a truck gun or benchrest rifle because if it was worth a new barrel it's worth a few patches and bullets to do it right.


In the front of the Gunsmiths Book of Chamber Prints there is a very good section about break-in and cleaning. This information has been passed on from the world's best barrel makers and reamer manufacturers. The original source was the barrel makers guild. Serious shooters and gunsmiths should all take the time to read it.


Barrel break-in is not the correct terminology... it should be called Throat Break-in for a properly lapped barrel.


With any premium lapped barrel the lay of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, very little is done to the bore during break-in but the throat is another story. When your barrel is chambered, there will be some amount of reamer marks left in the throat that are perpendicular to the lands ,i.e. across the direction of the bullet travel. When the bullet is forced into the throat, copper dust is released into the gas, which at this temperature and pressure is actually plasma. The copper dust is vaporized in this gas and is carried down the barrel. As the gas expands and cools, the copper comes out of suspension and is deposited in the bore usually toward the muzzle. This makes it appear as if the source of the fouling is the bore and subsequent bullets and deposits are fired over it. Copper, which adheres well to itself, will build up quickly and may be difficult to remove later. So when we break in a barrel, our goal is to get the throat deburred and polished without allowing copper to build up in the bore. This is the reasoning for the "fire-one-shot-and-clean" procedure.

Barrels will vary slightly in how many rounds they take to break in because of things like slightly different machinability of the steel, or the condition of the chambering reamer, ect... For example a chrome moly barrel may take longer to break in than stainless steel because it is more abrasion resistant even though it is the same hardness. Also chrome moly has a little more of an affinity for copper than stainless steel so it will usually show a little more "color" if you are using a chemical cleaner. Rim Fire barrels can take an extremely long time to break in - - - sometimes requiring several hundred rounds or more. But cleaning can be lengthened to every 25-50 rounds. The break-in procedure and the clearing procedure are really the same except for the frequency. Remember the goal is to get or keep the barrel clean while polishing out the throat.

The best way to break-in the barrel is to observe when the barrel is broken in: i.e when the fouling is reduced. This is better than some set number of cycles of "shoot and clean" as many owners report practically no fouling after the first few shots, and more break-in would be pointless. Conversely, if more is required, a set number would not address that either. Besides, cleaning is not a completely benign procedure so it should be done carefully and no more than necessary.

It is a good idea to just observe what the barrel is telling you with its fouling pattern. But once it is broken in, there is no need to continue breaking it in.

Initially you should perform the shoot-one-shot-and-clean cycle for five cycles. If fouling hasn't reduced, fire five more cycles and so on until fouling begins to drop off. At that point shoot three shots before cleaning and observe. If fouling is reduced, fire five shots before cleaning. It is interesting to shoot groups during the three and five shot cycles.


For the folks that don't believe what is written above... here's how you can verify it.
1. Take one of your old chamber reamers and file a few notches in the throat area of the reamer.
2. Use this modified reamer to rechamber a used barrel that didn't previously didn't show signs of copper.
3. Shoot this modified barrel and now watch it make a crapload of copper toward the muzzle. This effect is even more profound in longer Fclass length barrels.
See attached photo of a test chamber throat that looks like a motocross track.


20190320_174353.jpg

This test throat will never stop making copper and will never break-in.
The copper will show in the last 8-12 inches of the muzzle end but it was caused by the throat.

If your gunsmith handed you something like this and you decided to just start shooting it then you would load the barrel up with so much copper that the barrel would never clean and never show the full accuracy potential. However, if you were doing a break-in process then you would probably realize that something is wrong without filling the barrel up with copper and the throat could be corrected.

The amount of burr or tool marks will vary from chamber reamer to chamber reamer and from gunsmith to gunsmith because technique and tooling determines throat quality. The best gunsmiths normally check their own chamber work with a borecope before pulling the barrel out of the lathe.
I agree with this and in fact, I think it's the heat of the flame that does 95% of the work, not the friction of the bullet.

I sum break in up like this...Say you have a 4 groove bbl and only 1 land collects any copper, but you continue to shoot it without cleaning(break in). That copper continues to build upon itself on that one land while the other 3 lands are smoothing up, nice and pretty like. So now, when we finally clean the bbl, guess what. That one land was shielded from the heat and didn't break in much or at all because it likely started plating with the first shot and just got worse with every shot thereafter. So, you essentially now have 1 land that's longer than the rest. At what point does that correct itself, if ever? So, I think break in of the throat is an important step that you really only have one chance at doing. Just my two cents..again. Lol!
 
oliver88... SO.... at least with quality (factory OR custom?) barrels the "problem child" area of a barrel is the throat due to chamber reamer cutting...the chamber/throat. Of which a "by-product" of cutting the chamber/throat is/are rough edges/burrs/etc. And its these "by-products" which much be dealt with ("break-in") in order to minimize copper fouling. Correct?

Are there other ways to deal with this these "by-products" (roughness) other than shooting the gun?
 
Yes the biggest "problem child" is the throat.
There is a small amount of burnishing effect that goes on throughout the barrel as Alex has stated but the big copper producer is the throat.

Gunsmiths have tried everything from Cratex sticks to short lapping but the time proven way is a few bullets and patches.
 
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I've done 7-8 break ins following instructions from this Fred Sinclair book.i will say they clean up quickly doing this.so of course cleaning regularly keeps them much more manageable.....early on
This is from cheap economy rifles to cream of crop barrels

But I'm still torn how necessary it is.my bartlein, Tikka clean up great nothing sticks for example have others also .some in between the others...
Some terrible and never get better.......

Heck have a shilen match select that has never been easy to clean.still fouls terrible after 300+ rds. It's about to get jb or iosso.

So think I'm getting to point I realize it's really about the quality of the barrel.
but it definitely doesn't hurt to do the break in method it seems to help keep clean early on.. regardless.

To me the real question is how well does it help after 1000-3000 rounds ? In a world of better solvents and abrasives.

As much as I've always preached doing barrel break ins..think I'm going to hang it up
Tough for me to say that.lol

Seems it's all about quality of barrel and correctly cleaning in long run
 

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