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Bad Ammo? Or Bad Chamber?

I'll bet Federal would like to have that case back to investigate. Send them that pic and maybe they'll offer you a free premium box of ammo in return for it.
What these guys said^^^^. That would be a lot failure had we found that during testing for our military small caliber ammo....they will definitely ask for all the info... specific to the lot it is. Or play dumb and deny everything...
 
So did you ever measure cases near webs before & after firing?
I don't see how a case could expand to split/blow out unless there was enough clearance to allow that. I suspect a loose chamber, perhaps lacking breech support.
 
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Interesting comments on the brand of brass being junk, from one case having a issue.
I guess the Lapua brass I have is ALL junk also, since I had two cases do similar on the side, above the base/rim.
And no I did not send it back to lapua or throw the rest away, as this can occur with any piece of metal or brass on occasion, due to faults in the forming or making of such.
 
I trust lGS. Owner will do me right! 22 rounds fired good. Although holding less the an MOA. I thought federal was good ammo ( guess maybe not). Only thoughts with rifle is the bolt. Hard close, seems like it is loose. Not easy to close, slomp at first then hard to chamber even with empty chamber. It loosened up after cleaning and greasing. Not as I thought it would be.

It's not face behind the bolt, it's my 12 year old sons face. That's what worries me most. It's his bday present. I want to make sure it never happens agian.

Again, mostly never fire factory ammo, but he wanted to shoot it so I bought some....

Best way to make sure that it never happens again is to use once-fired cases.
 
The Ruger American rifles have a 3-lug bolt. It takes more work to use a 3-lug than a two lug bolt.

Ruger actions are cast for economy of production (read cheap) so the finish can be spotty if they don't QC frequently, which they don't. If the lugs aren't smooth and the lug seats aren't smooth, you get problems opening and closing the bolt. If the lug cams aren't smooth, same answer. Maybe the tooling was at the end of the cycle and needed to be changed out? If you want smooth and easy spend the money on BAT or other custom action, the American is a cheap rifle, made to be cheap.

Not sure I would let LGS finger hump my rifle.

So now a gunsmith isn't good enough to check over the man's inexpensive rifle? What about the thousands of suggestions stating, 'take it to your gunsmith'? Sheesh.

Given the position of the rupture, I suggest that you or the gunsmith examine the chamber under magnification to see if there is any damage from that rupture. The chamber might need a tiny bit of polishing...

Yes, Federal brass is softer than most of the leading brands. Federal made their reputation from the Gold Medal Match ammunition which was originally supplied to Palma and other competition shooters. Fired one time in competition, no one cared that it was soft because it was accurate at the time. In fact for years it was considered to be the standard of excellence for quality and accuracy. Many of us would use GMM as test ammunition when we built rifles. But try to resize and reload, you get a totally different story. Longevity was usually limited to 3 reloads and it was difficult to match the accuracy right out of a new box.

Take it to the gunsmith and examine the chamber and look at the lugs/lug seats and cams. Use a good lubricant on the lugs.
 
The Ruger American rifles have a 3-lug bolt. It takes more work to use a 3-lug than a two lug bolt.

Ruger actions are cast for economy of production (read cheap) so the finish can be spotty if they don't QC frequently, which they don't. If the lugs aren't smooth and the lug seats aren't smooth, you get problems opening and closing the bolt. If the lug cams aren't smooth, same answer. Maybe the tooling was at the end of the cycle and needed to be changed out? If you want smooth and easy spend the money on BAT or other custom action, the American is a cheap rifle, made to be cheap.



So now a gunsmith isn't good enough to check over the man's inexpensive rifle? What about the thousands of suggestions stating, 'take it to your gunsmith'? Sheesh.

Given the position of the rupture, I suggest that you or the gunsmith examine the chamber under magnification to see if there is any damage from that rupture. The chamber might need a tiny bit of polishing...

Yes, Federal brass is softer than most of the leading brands. Federal made their reputation from the Gold Medal Match ammunition which was originally supplied to Palma and other competition shooters. Fired one time in competition, no one cared that it was soft because it was accurate at the time. In fact for years it was considered to be the standard of excellence for quality and accuracy. Many of us would use GMM as test ammunition when we built rifles. But try to resize and reload, you get a totally different story. Longevity was usually limited to 3 reloads and it was difficult to match the accuracy right out of a new box.

Take it to the gunsmith and examine the chamber and look at the lugs/lug seats and cams. Use a good lubricant on the lugs.
What makes you think the local gun store even has a gunsmith?
 
I fail to see why there needs to be a debate unless you just want to be contentious because the poster has already stated he trusts the owner. However, in the spirit of trying to provide a reasonable answer...

I don't have the vaguest idea of whether the local gun store has a gunsmith or not. It's irrelevant. Trying to suggest that all the owner is capable of is 'finger humping' is a baseless insult.

I read 'LGS' as being 'Local Gun Smith'. You took it to mean Local Gun Store. Either can be correct.

Have a great day!:)
 
It’s one piece of bad brass.
Happens.
And if it isn't?
What if that one case is a blessing?

Maybe this shines light at a root cause that could plague & endanger the shooter.
I would measure the same lot of ammo/cases unfired, and compare to those fired (failed or not) and know for myself how much it's growing. If it grew beyond SAAMI upper spec, I'd have a gunsmith check it out.
I WOULD NOT just size the stretched but not yet failed cases back down, and fire them again to see what happens.
 
I find it ridiculous to blame the Ruger rifle. There are 10's of thousands in service with almost zero problems. Stop finger pointing and realize that all brass manufacturers have a few cases that just plain fail. I have had problems with Lapua, Winchester, and some really old old federal brass that had neck splits. I have fired 100's of federal brass since with zero problems. I have been shooting since I was 12 years ols so don't even try to explain it away. Clean the gun and disassemble the bolt and clean it real well and like another poster said grease the contact points on the lugs with only super light oil on bolt parts and I grease the ramp as well. Lets get back to shooting and fighting for our rights on something as minor as this. Remember each round is a controlled explosion and every round is potentially dangerous. Try a different brass if you feel federal is unsafe. Load some rounds up with reduced charge's the lyman book publishes till he masters the rifle. I am sure it will be fine(the gun) and thankfully nobody was injured. Remember this could happen to anyone and guns are a semi dangerous sport despite how hard we try to be safe. Good luck and I would call federal because they are a good company and I am sure they will want that case for analysis.
 
And if it isn't?
What if that one case is a blessing?

Maybe this shines light at a root cause that could plague & endanger the shooter.
I would measure the same lot of ammo/cases unfired, and compare to those fired (failed or not) and know for myself how much it's growing. If it grew beyond SAAMI upper spec, I'd have a gunsmith check it out.
I WOULD NOT just size the stretched but not yet failed cases back down, and fire them again to see what happens.
Like I said: It’s one piece of bad brass. None of the other fired cases appear abnormal or show indications of a faulty chamber.
 
I'm betting if you took some 600-800 wet sand paper to the bolt and gave it a polish you'd be surprised at how much smoother the operation will be.
I'm a happy Ruger American owner, and I'm also in the camp of budget federal ammo being of lesser quality.
 
Mudcat,

What do you mean by this??? First you said Ruger is build like a tank. Then you stated "I agree with other guys, turd of a rifle"?
No clue honestly as I have no idea what any of that was, as my position is quite simply, its bad federal ammo, nothing to do with the rifle.
 
I'm not saying rifle is bad, I think it is the ammo. I have not had a chance to do any measurements on the brass.
Bolt on rifle is ruff and hard to close before the ammo did what it did. Expected more of the rifle due to the reviews I had read, that's all. What do you expect of a budget build rifle, exactly what I got.
Issue is with the ammo ( I think ) I always thought fed ammo was good ammo, but from responses here, it isnt.
I'm going to run a bore scope in the rifle after cleaning and make sure all is good.

Thanks for the responses and input on this.
 
I've had a couple of pieces of Federal brass that had distinct spots of what appeared to be pure copper showing on them. My best guess is that during the alloying process, the metals involved didn't get properly mixed. That may have been the case (no pun intended) with this one also.
 
Ruger American 7mm08 rifle.
Federal Non typical white tail soft point 150gr factory ammo.

23 rounds fired, on the 23rd this happens. I'm think bad factory ammo. What's you thoughts? View attachment 1181642

I would try to drop my fired cases into a case gauge to see how stretched they are. Then resize them and see if they gauge correctly. It might be a sloppy chamber... maybe. But these days that is rare, even on a mass produced rifle.
 
Bolt works hard.

Could a scope base screw be protruding into the chamber area?

Are their any drag marks on the other fired brass.

I would measure the fired brass diameter . Should not be larger then .473"

But bad brass is most likely the issue for the ammo.

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