Army cuts 60k soldiers from duties and benefits/pay

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Is anyone on this thread actually dealing with what the article is talking about or am I the only one? Does anyone who served remember getting any kind of choices while in the military?

The military is all about choice these days. Choose your gender, your pronouns, etc.

Seriously, hasn't it all be hashed out by this point in the thread?

 

[300_whisper]

Useful idiots comment….

And this is accurate shooter nothing is ever hashed out lol

 

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Useful idiots comment….

Watch it.

What more do you want people to say?

You're not convincing anybody that because a line was signed that this is a good idea.

We have established that:

1. COVID vaccines are not effective.
2. COVID vaccines are not safe.
3. COVID vaccines do not enhance combat readiness.
4. The US government has a history of experimenting on the enlisted without their consent.
5. People think it is immoral.
6. Recruiting is down. Retainment is down.
7. People that have been in the military think whoever signs the line should do whatever the government tells them to.

So what exactly is there left to discuss?

I work under the DoD. I've been threatened to be fired. I was actually told by our Chief he wanted to fire all us because he believes that anybody unvaccinated is "the same as a suicide bomber trying to kill all those around them". He stated that no exemptions would be granted. My unit had 13 unvaccinated; the entire unit besides the two new hires. We stuck together and they managed to pick one off. The Chief's boss told him to find a way to get our exemptions granted.

I will not take an injection with no efficacy that is not safe and may damn me to an eternity in hell just so he can check a box. As of this point, we are being told by higher ups our exemptions will be signed off on. So am I dealing with it? Yeah, I sure have been since August of last year.

 

[300_whisper]

Watch it.

What more do you want people to say?

You're not convincing anybody that because a line was signed that this is a good idea.

We have established that:

1. COVID vaccines are not effective.
2. COVID vaccines are not safe.
3. COVID vaccines do not enhance combat readiness.
4. The US government has a history of experimenting on the enlisted without their consent.
5. People think it is immoral.
6. Recruiting is down. Retainment is down.
7. People that have been in the military think whoever signs the line should do whatever the government tells them to.

So what exactly is there left to discuss?

I don’t have to watch it. I was talking about Louisiana shooters comment with him calling other forum members useful idiots. So chill out.

I already told everyone in this thread that I am not convincing anyone. I quoted you early on and told you that directly. I said this is my opinion. Just like everyone else’s opinions in this thread.

 

[drop_point]

I don’t have to watch it. I was talking about Louisiana shooters comment with him calling other forum members useful idiots. So chill out.

I already told everyone in this thread that I am not convincing anyone. I quoted you early on and told you that directly. I said this is my opinion. Just like everyone else’s opinions in this thread.

I made a comment right before, and you replied right after, I apologize and thought you were directing that to me. That's why I reiterated what you said originally.

 

[M-61]

Is anyone on this thread actually dealing with what the article is talking about or am I the only one? Does anyone who served remember getting any kind of choices while in the military?

Yes. Only one. “ If you smoke, light’em up.”

 

[300_whisper]

I made a comment right before, and you replied right after, I apologize and thought you were directing that to me. That's why I reiterated what you said originally.

Oh 10-4, thank you for the apology and sorry for the comment confusion.

 

[Louisiana Shooter]

I don’t have to watch it. I was talking about Louisiana shooters comment with him calling other forum members useful idiots. So chill out.

I already told everyone in this thread that I am not convincing anyone. I quoted you early on and told you that directly. I said this is my opinion. Just like everyone else’s opinions in this thread.

Sorry you took it personal there buddy. It wasn't meant to be directed at any one person. Just making a statement about how many tend to follow whatever their leaders tell them without question. Stalin used the (useful idiots) term for the people that followed him.

Thank you for your service Sir. AND I do respect your right to choose the jab - OR not get the jab.

I have 3 nurses in my family that were forced to take the jab. They felt it was in their best interests in order to keep their job and feed their families. I find that extremely repulsive. Forcing people to do things they don't want to is one of the main reasons this country was founded.

 

[300_whisper]

@Louisiana Shooter and @tylerw02 thanks for your comments.

 

[300_whisper]

What the military is doing is certainly within their authority.


I'm sure they are going to take steps to mitigate people's options on this, in whatever way they can, in the future. I don't think people will break away as cleanly as they can now with minor repercussions aside from either being discharged or simply placed on inactive reserve status.

If nothing else this should shine a spotlight on how much you are giving to the "powers that be" in control over your life if you sign on. If you swear in today it is as good as saying you are serving Joe Biden and that your life and your body are under his authority and control.

To the first point, I agree. All the guys who got kicked out got a DD214, honorable, and just end of contract. At least the guys in my unit. That’s what legal said we were allowed to do. No use in screwing them over. They all served honorably. If there is a next batch of anti vax I think the military will drop the hammer, unfortunately.

The gun thing when I first joined really bothered me. When I lived in the barracks they were locked up in the unit arms room. Kind of eye opening there.

 

[Prose]

What the military is doing is certainly within their authority.

Not True. If anyone thought this was legal it would get litigated. All litigation thus far has not been in his favor so Biden stopped all movements and orders of the unvaccinated so that eventually you either have to do it or violate an order to move which is punishable. Not a single soldier will have the word vaccine in his record. There are laws that prevent this exact thing from happening.

I had exemptions approved when I served for everything I didn't want to take. The law was properly applied. Being ignorant of the law is what caused 90% of people to take this.

Biden is not canning the troops. He's just not going to pay them... he doesn't have the authority to separate them for not taking the vaccine, otherwise he'd be doing it. Tyranny.

 

[22BRGUY]

"What the military is doing is certainly within their authority."

Maybe a better way to phrase that would be, "What the military is doing is certainly within their power to do so."

The use of lawful orders, emergency circumstances, and other tools will be used to accomplish this. I can also see a precedent established wherein servicemen are given the shot upon entrance, possibly required to sign an agreement to receive all "necessary" inoculations during their term of enlistment, etc. I can also see a very limited scope of duty for those who somehow circumvent this in any way.

I've seen some people personally try and take on the military in individual personal matters. Some won, most didn't. And the ones who did didn't exactly do themselves any favor for a long and successful military career. Everything comes with a cost. And sometimes the law be damned.

And when you serve in an active theatre of conflict you have even less control over such matters.

I agree that they have the "power" but Not the "authority"
The "authority" is supposedly to come from "The People" ie: Of, by, and For The People
I never voted for the jab nor did anyone else. That "authority" was ASSUMED!
I don't recall the Congress voting on it either. THEY are the ONLY ONES with the
"authority" to make Law! Not the CDC, Not the FDA, Not the president.
Yes the Emergency Powers Act was used but that was supposed to last 90 days and then
be brought before the legislature and even then it could Not Authorize forced vaccinations.
WE ARE LIVING UNDER A DICTATORSHIP

 

[338 Mollett]

WE ARE LIVING UNDER A DICTATORSHIP

This is DAMN RIGHT ! But sadly Patton could not get us out of this because on the front lines if he looked behind him he would be all alone !

 

[22BRGUY]

This is DAMN RIGHT ! But sadly Patton could not get us out of this because on the front lines if he looked behind him he would be all alone !

"They" did him in too before he could get back to the U.S. and open his mouth about what was Really going on over there. He would have been elected in a heartbeat just like the
Kennedys. I'm no democrat either, but I know of no other family that paid a higher price
for the privilege of public service than the Kennedys.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

The gun thing when I first joined really bothered me. When I lived in the barracks they were locked up in the unit arms room. Kind of eye opening there.

Thank you for your serving our great country!
Just being a civilian this has always surprised me too, to see soldiers not armed out in public. If we can’t trust these young enlisted men and women to protect us at all times, who can we trust?

 

[STORM2]

Well I’m an opportunist! If they fire enough folks and times get really hard and they decide to waive High Year Tenure and waive age restrictions, I’m coming out of retirement….for the 6th time. My PEBD is 1965, making my pay over 57 years = 142.5%. Maybe this time I can make Master Chief. My shots are current and I have uniforms that fit.

 

[KMart]

Well I’m an opportunist! If they fire enough folks and times get really hard and they decide to waive High Year Tenure and waive age restrictions, I’m coming out of retirement….for the 6th time. My PEBD is 1965, making my pay OVER 57. Maybe this time I can make Master Chief. My shots are current and I have uniforms that fit.

With the lowering of the physical fitness standards, you should have no problems passing the test.

 

[284winner]

Army Cuts 60,000 Unvaccinated Guard and Reserve Soldiers From Training and Pay as COVID Vaccine Mandate Deadline Passes

Army Cuts 60,000 Unvaccinated Guard and Reserve Soldiers From Training and Pay as COVID Vaccine Mandate Deadline Passes

The Army confirmed on July 1 that tens of thousands of military Guard and Reserve soldiers can no longer participate in training or receive benefits, as Army faces recruiting crisis.

childrenshealthdefense.org

Zero surprise.

 

[Bocephus]

"What the military is doing is certainly within their authority."

Maybe a better way to phrase that would be, "What the military is doing is certainly within their power to do so."

The use of lawful orders, emergency circumstances, and other tools will be used to accomplish this. I can also see a precedent established wherein servicemen are given the shot upon entrance, possibly required to sign an agreement to receive all "necessary" inoculations during their term of enlistment, etc. I can also see a very limited scope of duty for those who somehow circumvent this in any way.

I've seen some people personally try and take on the military in individual personal matters. Some won, most didn't. And the ones who did didn't exactly do themselves any favor for a long and successful military career. Everything comes with a cost. And sometimes the law be damned.

And when you serve in an active theatre of conflict you have even less control over such matters.

And...I have seen a draft. Used to be called conscription. Either way it was often involuntary servitude...arguably referred to as slavery on a clock.

 

[darkangel_r2]

I also find the numbers in that article very "interesting", although alarming may be a more appropriate word. In case some of you didn't open the link, here is the meat and potatoes:

Based on data from the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED), Renz reported that these whistleblowers found a significant increase in registered diagnoses on DMED for miscarriages, cancer, and many other medical conditions in 2021 compared to a five-year average from 2016-2020. For example, at the roundtable Renz stated that registered diagnoses for neurological issues increased 10 times from a five-year average of 82,000 to 863,000 in 2021. There were also increases in registered diagnoses in 2021 for the following medical conditions:

• Hypertension – 2,181% increase
• Diseases of the nervous system – 1,048% increase
• Malignant neoplasms of esophagus – 894% increase
• Multiple sclerosis – 680% increase
• Malignant neoplasms of digestive organs – 624% increase
• Guillain-Barre syndrome – 551% increase
• Breast cancer – 487% increase
• Demyelinating – 487% increase
• Malignant neoplasms of thyroid and other endocrine glands – 474% increase
• Female infertility – 472% increase
• Pulmonary embolism – 468% increase
• Migraines – 452% increase
• Ovarian dysfunction – 437% increase
• Testicular cancer – 369% increase
• Tachycardia – 302% increase

Renz also informed me that some DMED data showing registered diagnoses of myocarditis had been removed from the database. Following the allegation that DMED data had been doctored, I immediately wrote to you on January 24 requesting that you preserve all records referring, relating, or reported to DMED. I have yet to hear whether you have complied with this request.

Thank you for your posts. You can usually tell whos opinions you should strongly consider by their ability to source their arguments. Links below for convenience. And these numerous ejections of military, gov agency, and police personnel have got me increasingly concerned.

Attorney Tom Renz Whistleblowers DMED, DEFENSE MEDICAL EPIDEMIOLOGY DATABASE, Reveals Incredibly Disturbing Spikes in Diseases, Infertility, Injuries across the board after the Military was forced to vaccinate – Renz Law

renz-law.com

Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection with the Omicron or Delta variants following a two-dose or booster BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 vaccination series: A Danish cohort study

In this brief communication we are showing original research results with early estimates from Danish nationwide databases of vaccine effectiveness (VE) against the novel SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant (B.1.1.529) up to five months after a primary vaccination series with the BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273...

www.medrxiv.org