Army cuts 60k soldiers from duties and benefits/pay

[22BRGUY]

I wasn't going to respond to this but after reading the replies I thought I would shed some real light on the topic.
As all the vets & military types know, when you sign on the dotted line in the military, whether it's active duty, guard or reserve you are agreeing to all that goes with maintaining your ability to do the job the military assigns you. That includes, doing training, maintaining job qualifications and mobility requirements and it is a constant requirement. One of the primary mobility requirements is vaccinations. For current World Wide mobility there are probably 10 or more shots you are required to maintain, ie Yellow Fever, Tetanus, Typhoid and many others. When they made Covid vaccine mandatory it was just that, mandatory, the same as any other requirement to maintain current pay & attendance status. You must maintain all of these in order to stay in. If you fail to maintain any of these, you are subject to being released. I'm sure those 60K folks had ample opportunity to maintain the requirements. Life is full of choices.

"Life is full of choices"
Very True!! However a persons choices can only be as good as the sources of information they trust and believe in.
The Television is the Greatest Mind Control Invention Ever Created!
I Do Not Doubt the Sincerity, Honor, or Patriotism of those who 'Sign Up" At All.

I Trust a Soldier named Smedley Butler; He was in charge of a half million Marines
and saw the whole picture inside and out. He wrote a book called WAR IS A RACKET.

Another Eye Opener

 

[drop_point]

I, honestly, don’t care. Does it really matter what I think?

In the end, no. It doesn't matter what any of us think if we are always going to roll over.

Mind you, these weren't active duty. Out of tens of thousands religious exemptions filed, the military granted less than a dozen. Those that filed were punished early on. Its foolhardy to assume they were trying to get out of their National Guard duty. If that were true, why would so many religious exemptions have been filed?

When one talks about oaths to the Constitution, I have a hard time accepting the argument, "this is what they signed up for" because that oath is taken to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, yet its been ignored for generations under the guise of "following orders" and "this is what we signed up for". I'm thrilled that SCOTUS is finally taking stands to return us to some semblance of the Constitutional Republic we once were.

 

[22BRGUY]

I, honestly, don’t care. Does it really matter what I think?

YES IT DOES! Whether you like it or not, You influence some other people
in your life. None of us know it all, but each of us has some influence and I think
it's our Human Obligation to Know the Truth as best as we can for that reason.

 

[drop_point]

I was a kid at the time. There were a few others doing it and we were the only ones not walking around feeling like crap all the time. So we were actually "more fit" for duty. It wasn't any thinking on my part, I never felt so sick from anything before. I'd rather get exposed and suffer once for a short time.

But I do agree with Pawnee Bill. When you sign on the line you give away rights that you have as a private citizen. As time passes it should be a more profound decision to actually join. You would have to bow to all the political leaders you may despise and be a tool for their interests. Don't fool yourself into thinking there is a "blue and a red" side in the military. If it existed at one time it is becoming more "rainbowish" now.

Unfit for duty isn't what it once was. At the end of the day the politicians see you as fodder. Don't anyone kid themselves.

But you were disobeying an order that you signed up for, right?

I agree with you, our military is more and more becoming fodder in the eyes of our politicians. It is sad so many young Americans aren't given the respect they deserve.

 

[300_whisper]

In the end, no. It doesn't matter what any of us think if we are always going to roll over.

Mind you, these weren't active duty. Out of tens of thousands religious exemptions filed, the military granted less than a dozen. Those that filed were punished early on. Its foolhardy to assume they were trying to get out of their National Guard duty. If that were true, why would so many religious exemptions have been filed?

When one talks about oaths to the Constitution, I have a hard time accepting the argument, "this is what they signed up for" because that oath is taken to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, yet its been ignored for generations under the guise of "following orders" and "this is what we signed up for". I'm thrilled that SCOTUS is finally taking stands to return us to some semblance of the Constitutional Republic we once were.

I’m a reservist now. I was active duty. We removed 3 from my reserve unit for not getting vaccinated. We had 2 approved religious exemptions.

For the part highlighted in bold you can say that since Korea.

 

[drop_point]

I’m a reservist now. I was active duty. We removed 3 from my reserve unit for not getting vaccinated. We had 2 approved religious exemptions.

For the part highlighted in bold you can say that since Korea.

If not even before Korea.

 

[300_whisper]

YES IT DOES! Whether you like it or not, You influence some other people
in your life. None of us know it all, but each of us has some influence and I think
it's our Human Obligation to Know the Truth as best as we can for that reason.

Thanks, that’s really nice. I appreciate that.

 

[22BRGUY]

For these WONDERFUL POLITICIAN LEADERS Ready to send so many young
men and women into battle, I say, Grab a Rifle, Hemet and Boots and Go Show
Us HOW IT'S DONE, Like George Washington Did! instead of Shooting your
Mouths off on TV and living in Decadence on Our Dime!!

 

[drop_point]

I was. But it isn't like that doesn't happen every single day by any single serving member in one way or another.

There were a group of us who fought against the Anthrax shot. The reason was that our CO was the only one insisting that we get it, not everyone in the area had to. When all of our "legal" efforts were exhausted and we lost, we took it. We knew we had to. That is the position you put yourself in. We happened to be under the command of a Colonel who was literally out of his mind. No exaggeration, the guy was plain nuts and I can only think that his superiors sent him into a war zone hoping he would be out of their way temporarily or permanently. Yeah, they really cared about us

I'm sorry you have to deal with that. It should be the upmost importance that above all, leadership CARES about those under them. I think its important we don't throw these service members under the bus for disobeying an order here, as you say, it happens every day. The difference is these folks aren't getting away with it.

 

[Fuj]

I'm going to call you out right now. Military signs and oath to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

I'm calling you out....Did you willingly enlist, taking the oath, a draftee,
or other ?? If you were not a service member a some point, you may not
have the same perspective as Pawnee Bill, myself, and others have on this
subject of refusal.....

 

[22BRGUY]

I'm calling you out....Did you willingly enlist, taking the oath, a draftee,
or other ?? If you were not a service member a some point, you may not
have the same perspective as Pawnee Bill, myself, and others have on this
subject of refusal.....

I don't think tyler was calling out your Patriotism, Honor, or Sincerity sir.
He was simply stating that the Constitution documents certain Inalienable
Rights that we all have whether in service or not. "Inalienable" means those
Rights CANNOT Be TAKEN AWAY BY ANYBODY EVER! and THAT is the OATH
we Swear To Uphold, Protect and Defend isn't it?? JMHO

 

[drop_point]

I'm calling you out....Did you willingly enlist, taking the oath, a draftee,
or other ?? If you were not a service member a some point, you may not
have the same perspective as Pawnee Bill, myself, and others have on this
subject of refusal.....

So you took the oath to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, yet there are enemies to the Constitution all abound...yet you are concerned because some National Guard refused a COVID vaccine? You verbalize they are the problem?

There are bigger fish to fry here. Just because the government took away your bodily autonomy is no reason it should happen to them. I appreciate you taking the oath, but throwing these guys under the bus isn't the answer.

Yes, I've taken the same oath for a different service than you, and I am still fighting for their rights.

 

[GLO123]

This administration has lost it’s mind.

 

[Bocephus]

I wasn't going to respond to this but after reading the replies I thought I would shed some real light on the topic.
As all the vets & military types know, when you sign on the dotted line in the military, whether it's active duty, guard or reserve you are agreeing to all that goes with maintaining your ability to do the job the military assigns you. That includes, doing training, maintaining job qualifications and mobility requirements and it is a constant requirement. One of the primary mobility requirements is vaccinations. For current World Wide mobility there are probably 10 or more shots you are required to maintain, ie Yellow Fever, Tetanus, Typhoid and many others. When they made Covid vaccine mandatory it was just that, mandatory, the same as any other requirement to maintain current pay & attendance status. You must maintain all of these in order to stay in. If you fail to maintain any of these, you are subject to being released. I'm sure those 60K folks had ample opportunity to maintain the requirements. Life is full of choices.

Respectfully, may I say that unless it is a “panic situation” I’m inclined to ponder awhile and consider if the shoe just might fit the other foot.
As we carefully scurtinize the premise that in order to maintain “military readiness” our soldiers MUST accept an unproven, completely experimental vaxx that seems to be destroying the health of many that do submit, one might reasonably conclude that the “readiness concept” argument is now counterintuitive at the least, and completely absurd at the worst.
Now let’s also consider how acceptable it might be if it were a MANDATORY requirement for all big pharma execs, stock shareholders, scientists, lab techs, and janitorial assistants to submit, on demand, to personally acting as actual moving TARGETS during military experimental weapons “LIVE-FIRE” exercises.
All in the interest of national security and military readiness of course.
Who could possibly object to such a reasonable condition of position or employment?

 

[drop_point]

I understand the sentiment and frustration around this issue, but....

Military personnel are not independent agents, nor should they be. This isn't the movies. The reality of that oath, in front of any judge or political office which is in charge of this entity, is that domestic threats would pertain to the citizenry and not political leaders unless they tried to do what was done in the civil war.

I disagree that the oath is meant only pertains to threats provided by the citizenry. It states ALL threats, foreign and domestic. It means by government itself. I'm not 100% sure you could make the case for the Civil War being a threat to the Constitution as the Constitution doesn't really cover means of succession.

I do agree with you, every Joe doesn't need to go out guns a blazin' deciding to take things back all his own. But our leadership has the duty. Both our politicians and military leadership take the same oath, but both play political games to get what they want.

Those people are our enemies, not National Guard that doesn't want a COVID shot.

 

[22BRGUY]

This administration has lost it’s mind.

ON PURPOSE I'M AFRAID!
This GLOBALIST AGENDA is becoming More and More Apparent

 

[M-61]

I don’t want to get involved in a vaccine discussion. But I will say that when you join the armed forces you give up a lot of your civil rights. Armies don’t work when you have individuals making independent decisions.

Yes.
When told to make a third attempt at taking a hill (hills in VietNam are given numbers which is their height in meters.....never knew why it had to be the metric system) even though you have seen an insane number of casualties in the previous 2 attempts, you go up the hill. And you know you will depart that hill come nightfall, should you capture it. Therefore the hill, that is now your hill, will not be your hill as the sun sets.
I think this clarifies what giving up a lot of your civil rights actually means!
Not merely doubt about a vaccine (of which the CDC changed the definition of in 2021).
It also may somewhat clarify an unspoken action called fragging.
I guess you had to be there.

 

[drop_point]

People can think it means what they want (and I don't disagree with you on what it should mean), but I am talking about the reality of influence and control. Who defines what a threat is...us? No. That is wishful thinking.

The civil war was primarily about the power of the federal government to control the states. When political leaders or citizens revolt that strongly, we see the result. That was a domestic threat to the powers that be. The sentiment of the "power of the people" was lost after that - in fact - even if not in belief....IMO.

I appreciate you having a conversation about this. I think you would agree, that was the intent of the oath; its a testament to how far we've fallen as a Republic.

For instance, look at the interment camps FDR placed American citizen of Japanese and German-descent in. Or Jackson's march of the Cherokees to Oklahoma to benefit wealthy real estate investor friends. What good is a Constitution if there is no check on military control by the executive branch? By God, how many people were killed because nobody would speak up? How about Sherman's March? The Presidency ordered the raping and pillaging of property of what the government argued were American citizens. By God, that was a time when the likes of Sherman and Grant should of upheld their oath.

The Civil War was just that, as you say, a threat to the powers that be. NOT a threat to the Constitution. We've allowed politicians the power to openly violate the Constitution--especially the presidency. I'm glad that the recent ruling on Roe v Wade and the EPA will put some teeth back into the Tenth Amendment.

 

[drop_point]

Respectfully, may I say that unless it is a “panic situation” I’m inclined to ponder awhile and consider if the shoe just might fit the other foot.
As we carefully scurtinize the premise that in order to maintain “military readiness” our soldiers MUST accept an unproven, completely experimental vaxx that seems to be destroying the health of many that do submit, one might reasonably conclude that the “readiness concept” argument is now counterintuitive at the least, and completely absurd at the worst.
Now let’s also consider how acceptable it might be if it were a MANDATORY requirement for all big pharma execs, stock shareholders, scientists, lab techs, and janitorial assistants to submit, on demand, to personally acting as actual moving TARGETS during military experimental weapons “LIVE-FIRE” exercises.
All in the interest of national security and military readiness of course.
Who could possibly object to such a reasonable condition of position or employment?

Some interesting numbers:

Sen. Johnson to Secretary Austin: Has DOD Seen an Increase in Medical Diagnoses Among Military Personnel?

www.ronjohnson.senate.gov

 

[dellet]

Dr James Ketchum, Edgewood Arsenal
U.S. vs Stanley

Will shed insights into the thinking regarding the violation of constitutional rights, maintaining discipline, and informed consent. Reading the actual court decisions to get the feeling of the arguments and rationalization of using U.S. service members as test subjects is beyond belief.