Anyone still build accurate rifles on Mauser or Springfield actions?

[rickt300]

Looking at trading for a Springfield that has had all the real work done on it already and currently has a heavy 308 barrel on it. Looks more like a varmint style rifle or something built to barely make an older style silhouette rifle. Not really planning on using the barrel that comes on it unless by accident it is very accurate. I would like to make it into a 5 shot half inch rifle. I know this is a low expectation compared to what I see is hoped for here, groups in the .2 or .3 arena.

 

[PigButtons]

Pretty close. I knew that would get comment…. ..
hey, it’s a 219 Donaldson Wasp in a Mauser action. A strong fart at trigger break will open the group but she shoots bugholes easily.
The Ten shot groups got sloppy but she’s 59 years old…..
these are some of the best of the loads I found.
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A 1962 Taylor and Robbins Mauser action unlimited bag gun, 31” long, 1.25” diameter barrel, double set trigger breaks at ~3 oz, weighs 25 lbs, 20x Unertl.
The stock is about a 1/4 cord of unknown wood, 3 1/2” forend. Check out the checkering.
Look up Taylor and Robbins stock bedding, they developed a bedding method that was as much magic as craftsmanship.
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What a beautiful beast.

 

[BoydAllen]

The real problem is that there are too many people with more money than brains or credit cards. Combine that with gun magazines and the internet.

Gun snobs are the so called experts on the internet.


On top of that too much money can be made by gunsmiths and machinist that blow sunshine up peoples rears about a good many things.

The same idiots with more money than brains tend to rule the BR world they are mostly doctors. lawyers, investment banks, engineers etc.....Most of them retired. They have intelligence, time, money, lots of leisure time and boredom on their hands.

While there exception to the above you do not see a lot of working poor people at the top of shooting sports just like the same people make up most of civil aviation again not a lot of working poor.

So the number one problem with any sport from ham radio to shooting sports to fly fishing is that regular people have little voice and idiots and the well off too have too much voice.

Just like gun wirter's aka idiots from here on out have convinced your average gun owning idiot that short actions are stiffer and more accurate than standard actions.

On the Mauser and Springfield side of things people will attempt to convince you that lock time is an issue and that machining clearances and tolerance stacking are to big of an issue to be over come. These same idiots will attempt to convince you that a Remington 700 is some how better? LOL Keeping in mind that Remington does not even bother to machine the saw cut receiver face true at the factor.

Beware of the B.S. trust is a Mauser or Springfield or Winchester or Ruger M77MKII take a bit longer to true up and require more skill to blue print they can be fantastic in the right machinists hands. Anyone that tells you other wise is either a parrot for the industry, ignorant or a liar.

People hate me though because I tell the truth and do not have a dog in the fight or a pony in the race.

In BR it matters but in any shooting sport that is done prone or off hand any decent action from a WWII Mauser to a Mossberg Patriot can be made to be more than competitive with quality machine work, a good barrel and fantastic reloading. This assumes you know the fundamentals of shooting and wind calling!

Seldom have I seen so much condescension and negativity in one post. Talk about having issues....

 

[jdh47]

Mauser's mother must've been scared by a benchrest shooter. It's not exactly clear where he's coming from other than the liberal point of view on class envy. I know lots of people that compete that aren't well to do and do good.
There's a good reason why tubular actions were embraced by the competition shooters and the Remington 700 action has been copied and improved on by many custom action makers. There is more after market support for Remington clones than any other action.
Old Mausers, Springfields and P17's and such can indeed be made to shoot decent but not truly competitive. They are fine actions and truly icons of their time.
Just my humble opinion.

Peace.

 

[std7mag]

Oohhhh......
It's the action that makes it competitive...
So i can just lay an action on the bench & walk away to collect my prize money?

And to bring one's mother into it!
Shameful!!!

Mayhaps the nice lady was shooting with a Springfield action at Williamsport before there was a Remington.

 

[butchlambert]

Oohhhh......
It's the action that makes it competitive...
So i can just lay an action on the bench & walk away to collect my prize money?

And to bring one's mother into it!
Shameful!!!

Mayhaps the nice lady was shooting with a Springfield action at Williamsport before there was a Remington.

List your trophies won with your Sprangfield. Some pieces of wood may have been won with them 30 or 40yrs ago. When did the Military quit using them as sniper rifles? Mayhaps?

 

[jdh47]

In the early days of Benchrest and precision shooting Harvie Donaldson and the founders used what was available to them. Harvie was a T&D maker and many of the early rifle smiths were good at their trade. They made some rifles that shot astoundingly well for the time. We have come a long way since then and actions available to competitors today are purpose built and outclass the early offerings. It's not to say they didn't shoot well and great in some instances but today's competition is pretty tight. Butch is right about the actions winning matches today.
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