Anyone played much with current production M700's?

[AckleymanII]

Dan in Alaska can fix all primary extraction issues, he has completed 6 for me.

 

[boltfluter]

I have fluted and installed knobs on a half dozen or so of the new bolts. Fit and finish looks quite good.
Paul

 

[jackieschmidt]

The links states that one of the upgrades is “higher quality steel in actions and barrels”.

It would be interesting to see what they changed.

 

[Will Henry]

Nothing easier than touting "higher quality steel" with no other information.
As for the primary extraction issue, it is absolutely inexcusable and has long been an issue with 700's. There is absolutely no excuse for rifle to be designed with a primary extraction cam then built so it is not functional. WH

 

[dantiff2]

Nothing easier than touting "higher quality steel" with no other information.
As for the primary extraction issue, it is absolutely inexcusable and has long been an issue with 700's. There is absolutely no excuse for rifle to be designed with a primary extraction cam then built so it is not functional. WH

No one holds them (REM) accountable on this. 99.95 % of these faulty actions are toted around the deer woods by people who don't know any wiser ; )
Dan

 

[tobnpr]

There is absolutely no excuse for rifle to be designed with a primary extraction cam then built so it is not functional.

Agree, I do not feel there is anything deficient in the design- it's a matter of not maintaining tolerance in the receiver, bolt, or both. Simple as I see it- it's the length from the lug abutments on the receiver to the rear face, and the bolt lug to the handle. Get both of those correct so there's minimal play from bolt handle to receiver as shown in Gene's video and it works

 

[Will Henry]

Often the cam surface is located too far clockwise as well. In other words, there is more than one dimension screwed up. Either way, it's not according to the print. WH

 

[cmysix]

Walt,
Any ideas about correcting the extraction issue? I haven't been able to get my hands on one yet. I was in ME last week and stopped by LL Bean which has a sizeable gun department. They laughed when I asked if they had one.

they were laughing at you because you were not looking at the $10,000 rifles and shot guns.

 

[DShortt]

Often the cam surface is located too far clockwise as well. In other words, there is more than one dimension screwed up. Either way, it's not according to the print. WH

So in your opinion is the best cure an aftermarket bolt or does that solve anything? Maybe it depends on who made it?

 

[GenePoole]

So in your opinion is the best cure an aftermarket bolt or does that solve anything? Maybe it depends on who made it?

A PTG bolt, or even a PTG both handle will do wonders for this. I'm at a loss as to why they changed the geometry on the handles. I recall a thread on this over on Sniper's Hide a few years back and Chad Dixon had some "off the record" (he's under NDI with Remington or something) comments but I can't find the thread. I recall something as to the bolt handles sub contractors that did the investment casting had to modify it to ensure their sloppy specs would not result in binding or something like that. Take all of this with a grain of salt as my memory ain't what it used to be.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

they were laughing at you because you were not looking at the $10,000 rifles and shot guns.

Or the dog beds

 

[DShortt]

A PTG bolt, or even a PTG both handle will do wonders for this. I'm at a loss as to why they changed the geometry on the handles. I recall a thread on this over on Sniper's Hide a few years back and Chad Dixon had some "off the record" (he's under NDI with Remington or something) comments but I can't find the thread. I recall something as to the bolt handles sub contractors that did the investment casting had to modify it to ensure their sloppy specs would not result in binding or something like that. Take all of this with a grain of salt as my memory ain't what it used to be.

Thank you for the information. I appreciate it.

 

[WSnyder]

So in your opinion is the best cure an aftermarket bolt or does that solve anything? Maybe it depends on who made it?

A properly placed replacement handle can do wonders. A Holland’s has extra material in the cam area and can be hand fitted very tight and get all the extraction you can possibly get out of one. You can TIG up the cam on a factory style handle and do the same but that’s extra work over a Holland’s.

This is an RR with a Holland’s fitted with ~.010” on front of handle to receiver and cam surface to receiver. Timing between action closing cams to extraction cams can be timed very close with these as well.

 

[cmysix]

I have fluted and installed knobs on a half dozen or so of the new bolts. Fit and finish looks quite good.
Paul

if it a new knob on a stock bolt, can you tig weld the arm to the bolt?

 

[WSnyder]

if it a new knob on a stock bolt, can you tig weld the arm to the bolt?

No, the factory braze would contaminate the attempted weld. You would have to remove the handle, remove all traces of brazing material and then TIG. After it is TIG ed you could braze again. I haven’t done that but some have. I believe LRI was doing it but I’m not sure if they still do.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I find that setting the bolt for a ton of primary extraction is not what I like at all. It makes the bolt very stiff. I like to have just enough primary extraction for it to work. Bolt works much smoother that way. I hear that you can replace the Remington bolt with a Mack Brothers and it fixes all the problems

 

[WSnyder]

I find that setting the bolt for a ton of primary extraction is not what I like at all. It makes the bolt very stiff.

I don’t find that at all or at least on what I’ve done and certainly not with the Holland’s I’ve fitted. Now I do take the time to clean the whole action up with die stones deburring and smoothing everything up. If you’re getting a stiff bolt upon opening I’d be wondering if the closing cams and extraction cams are interfering.

 

[Adam in WI]

Are they going to make these changes to all 700 receivers, or just the on the $1500+ rifles?

 

[Ray123]

I like the features on Alpha 700, like faster twists, longer mag boxes for long bullets, bolt release 5 R rifling ...just screw on another Remington factory barrel when yours wear out head space will be good to go...might have to confirm that but its possible with CNC machining... sounds good to me ...wounder if they just sell the new Alpha action. Be fun to check one out.

 

[Carl S]

Would one prefer higher quality steel or all critical surfaces machined square and true.i suppose as long as the numbers go through the door it don't really matter.