Anti hunters getting what they ask for.

[Rick in Oregon]

Agree.....here in central Oregon, if I hop into my truck and head east, I can drive for four hours in completely open, desolate and uninhabited open and wild high desert. I'll see deer, speed goats, maybe elk, hawks, eagles, more jackrabbits than you can count. Virtually almost ALL it is BLM land that we can hunt and roam at will.

And wolves are now being considered here for hunting.....finally. The cattle ranchers are getting purty tired of having their prize Angus cows mauled and eaten by them after the reintroduction by the bunny-lovers. We now even have coyote/wolf hybrids roaming the forests and desert....just dandy! But thankfully, there are NO "No Hunting" signs for hundreds of miles here.

Wonder how many PETA members have ever seen a coyote or wolf eating a fawn or calf while it's trying to be born? That sight will certainly change the opinion of more than a few bunny-huggers or snowflakes.

 

[SHANNON LEE KINCAID]

I was stationed at Yuma Arizona for a long time and I've never had it better for long range shooting than there...we could pick a dirt road and drive as far as your truck could handle and setup shop to shoot as far as your heart desired. I miss it for sure and wish I'd taken more advantage of it back then...I think BLM had most of it hemmed up but never seen a fence.... Once in a while there were these Property of US Government signs on a t-post but we never knew what direction it was meant for lol so we proceeded....lots of jack rabbits to kill also those darn things were all over...winter coyotes were good as well....I think a lot of the western land also could be bombing ranges I remember those being a bunch of acres big....we used to off-road in the desert a lot and I remember the BLM sectioning off a bunch of square miles for some kind of endangered grass....I never found any of the magic grass not one blade

 

[Intheshop]

Dang it!Will somebody PLEASE get rid of that herd of Deer on our golf course?Sheesh,if it isn't Deer,then it's Canada's.

 

[Lone Hunter]

Dang it!Will somebody PLEASE get rid of that herd of Deer on our golf course?Sheesh,if it isn't Deer,then it's Canada's.

Post it. They will go away. LOL

 

[4xforfun]

My brother is big into the beaver hunting thing...they go out in the spring as soon as the ice brakes up ...during flood season and they boat up and down the rivers and kill beaver....some years by the hundreds!!

A few years back down in West Fargo , the locals were having problems with the beaver chewing on their trees, houses, fences, EVERYTHING, as a river winds through town. A real nuisance. I think it even made their local news. When talking to the ND Game and Fish, my brother "volunteered " to take care of the problem..

NOPE...the locals wanted the beaver live trapped and released somewhere else.

NDG&F politely denied the local's request (@$600.00 per animal), and a good laugh was had by all...except the locals!!

The end,
Tod

 

[onelastshot]

The one thing we hunters have to appreciate and remember when dealing with the anti's is that they deal with issues using emotion, not logic. They live in a world where everything is premised upon heart felt emotions, rationale has no place in their touchy feely world. When you attempt to engage them in conversation you have to remember what your dealing with; intelligent rationale discourse has no place in their world. They at and react on emotion, any attempt to enlighten them with facts and reason will always be undercut by their overwhelming emotional mindset. In short, you can't rationalize with the irrationale.

 

[bluealtered]

Everybody might consider this, it isn't federal land, ... it is public land that is supposed be under the guidance of the department of agriculture, and yes the forest service and the blm is and has been locking it up for many years. This includes the grasslands and the deserts as well. This battle has been going on for many years in the west and if i remember right is down to the last remaining national forest with the road open unless posted closed policy being the Wallowa Whitman national forest.

 

[JRS]

Everybody might consider this, it isn't federal land, ... it is public land that is supposed be under the guidance of the department of agriculture, and yes the forest service and the blm is and has been locking it up for many years. This includes the grasslands and the deserts as well. This battle has been going on for many years in the west and if i remember right is down to the last remaining national forest with the road open unless posted closed policy being the Wallowa Whitman national forest.

And as they choose, they sell off the land to the highest bidder. The state makes
money, and the Federal Government no longer spends money to maintain it.

 

[Rancher Mike]

I'm a property owner in eastern Oregon, friends and neighbors have permission to hunt, but even with no trespassing signs people traveling by feel every coyote is fair game shooting with cattle and our house near by day and night. A deputy sheriff told me signs are not necessary but without them I think it would be even a bigger problem. The cattle are our lively hood.

 

[JRS]

As hunters, we have a responsibility to know what is private property, and public land. Respect the the private property owners, and if you want to hunt on private property, ask for permission. This isn't 1960. Things have changed. We don't have to like it, but, we respect the rights of property owners, whether we agree, or not.

 

[Toby Bradshaw]

Everybody might consider this, it isn't federal land, ... it is public land that is supposed be under the guidance of the department of agriculture

It is federally-owned land. USFS is under Agriculture. BLM, NWR, and Reclamation are under Interior.

, and yes the forest service and the blm is and has been locking it up for many years.

The BLM manages 387,000 square miles, 99% of which is open to hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting.

The USFS manages 300,000 square miles, the vast majority of which is open to hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting.

To give some appreciation of the scale of public lands open to hunting, the total of BLM + USFS is larger than the entire state of Alaska, and Alaska itself is more than twice as big as Texas.

Sure, you have to live out West to be close to most of this public land. All the better for those of us who do.

And there are plenty of NON-federal public lands open to hunting and shooting, as well, at least out here.

 

[Rancher Mike]

Another option that will guarantee hunting privileges is to buy a ranch - farm and do what you want with the posting. But if you want to keep buying nice varmint rifles and hunt the best plan might be to offer to buy a half of beef from some farmer if it would grease the skids, build a relationship of trust.

 

[bluealtered]

Toby i don't mind being wrong, how about showing us that all the public land is really all federal land. If that's the case then why does Congressman Greg Walden-Oregon have so many co-signers on his bill to return control of public land to the county's that, that "federal land" is in ? And while your at it tell us how much of the of the public land is locked up in wilderness and can only hunted or anything else if you can walk in and out.

I happen to have the Wallowa Whitman national forest outside my front door, it is roughly 2.3 million acres and about 1/3 of that is wilderness. For those who don't know that means that unless you are able to walk or horseback into that country and back out, you are s.o.l. What about those who are A.D.A.? It also means that those people who have to fight the lightning started fires that start there must carry on their backs everything that is used to try and put out the fires. This puts their lives at further risk which means that many of those fires are not put out and can and have burned for months until they burn themselves out. How does this help the wilderness area's ?

Yes this is very much hunting related simply because if you can't get there, you can't hunt there. I hope we aren't crossing that line but these subjects are very much related. blue

 

[Toby Bradshaw]

Toby i don't mind being wrong, how about showing us that all the public land is really all federal land.

Not all public land is federal, but all BLM, USFS, NWR, BoR, National Monuments, National Parks, (and others) are owned by the federal government and managed by federal agencies under various Cabinet departments (Agriculture, Interior, etc.).

If that's the case then why does Congressman Greg Walden-Oregon have so many co-signers on his bill to return control of public land to the county's that, that "federal land" is in ?

Because federal legislation would be required to change ownership from federal to some other entity.

And while your at it tell us how much of the of the public land is locked up in wilderness and can only hunted or anything else if you can walk in and out.

Since apparently you don't like to do your own research, there are 170,000 square miles of wilderness, less than half as much as BLM and a little more than half as much as USFS. I'm thrilled that Aldo Leopold's legacy includes designated roadless areas open to hunting, fishing, and hiking.

I happen to have the Wallowa Whitman national forest outside my front door, it is roughly 2.3 million acres and about 1/3 of that is wilderness. For those who don't know that means that unless you are able to walk or horseback into that country and back out, you are s.o.l. What about those who are A.D.A.?

80% of the combination of BLM+USFS+Wilderness is accessible by road. Thank goodness that 20% is not.

It also means that those people who have to fight the lightning started fires that start there must carry on their backs everything that is used to try and put out the fires. This puts their lives at further risk which means that many of those fires are not put out and can and have burned for months until they burn themselves out. How does this help the wilderness area's ?

Is it possible that you really don't know how fire ecology works?

Yes this is very much hunting related simply because if you can't get there, you can't hunt there. I hope we aren't crossing that line but these subjects are very much related. blue

Maybe we should put a cable car ride to the top of Mt. Hood so that every Oregonian can get there without effort.

 

[muleman69]

The Anti's are really getting what they want here in Ca. Not sure they or our fish and game like game animals . They have stopped the bear. hunting with hounds so that population is getting out of hand as well as the lions are really getting bad. Our deer herds are almost wiped out now. Fish and game are sneaking in wolves now so there goes the rest of our deer and Elk. I suppose it is much easier to manage the predators(kind of a no brainer). I thought Hollywood and all huggers liked Bambi?

 

[bluealtered]

Since we can at this point continue, we are talking about the land that is locked up, that is to say that has locked gates, water bars or any other form of stopping anything but foot traffic.

Yes i'm sure most people understand it takes an act of congress to change laws, perhaps that is why Congressman Walden's bill is in the house, wouldn't you think?

I believe most people are happy as well that there are places that aren't motorized, i am. Your information on it being 170,000 square miles is old information that makes it look small, but what about all the wilderness that your last president added?

No 80% of the road systems aren't open, once again your not using current data, but it does help you make it sound like there's more than there is. I live next a national forest and use it almost every day. I have for the last 40 years in this area watched roads be closed in one form or another by the forest service here. Since the forest service has started trying to close/remove our roads we the people have gotten together and actually driven the remaining open roads and of the 12,000 miles that are supposed to be open according to the forest service, ... there is considerably less than half of that and more being closed everyday.

Yes Toby i know how ecology works, i have spent most of my life working in the forests here and in other states, I have contracted to the forest service as well as blm and the national park service in that time.

Now lets address some things about fires and roads or the lack of roads that you would like to have. Roads in the national forest allow a hot shot crew to get to a small fire and get it out before it becomes a large multi million dollar fire. That small crew could do that from $250-$500 an hour as an average. Now with the road stripped out of there it must be done from the air and depending on what type of aircraft is used will be $3,00-$5,00+ an hour or more.

When the forest service takes a road out of a forest here, they use a large excavator and rip the road up, this creates huge amounts of soil to flow into the creeks and streams, thereby ruining the habitat of everything in that stream or creek for many years. How does that help the ecology?

And last but not least, yes i think a tram up Mt. Hood is a wonderful idea!! It will go great with all the homes on the mountain, and the paved roads as well. O,... and lets not forget the highway that runs across there. It's amazing that you need so many roads, but that we shouldn't.

 

[Toby Bradshaw]

And last but not least, yes i think a tram up Mt. Hood is a wonderful idea!!

Until that happens, you can always go to Disneyland and ride the "Matterhorn".

I don't mind having to hike into my hunting spots. Cuts down on the riffraff.

 

[bluealtered]

I won't respond any further toby, your last statement shows your disdain and disrespect for anyone other than yourself.

2506 i am sorry for hijacking your thread. blue

 

[Kenneth66]

Post it. They will go away. LOL

Also if the golf course is near a highway you could put up a deer crossing sign and they will get run over , just saying .
Kenneth

 

[roadkill61]

The thread was just trying to get across the idea that people post their land and then can't understand that they create a problem for themselves. It never implied that they should not post their land. Toby when you become to old or crippled up I hope there are roads for you to drive to still enjoy some shooting. Not all of us can walk for miles and just because I no longer can does not make me riffraff.