Anti Cant level who uses one?

[crowsnest2002]

I'm really just starting to get into f/tr and this spring will hopefully be a start of my first match. So far my platform is consisting of a savage f/tr rig 308 with egw 20moa rail, ordered some vortex low 30mm rings, and a leupold 6.5-20x40mm lr (at leupold getting target turrets right now). I'm really just starting out and want to know how many of you actually use an anti cant level when shooting this class? I would think it would be more important for long range hunting but wanted some input. I've been reading Applied Ballistics and it sounds like something that should be looked into. If you do have one what are you using?

 

[ShootDots]

I shoot F-Open, however, that would not make any difference. I use the U.S. Optics hinged anti-cant device.. It can be moved out of the way when not in use as it "folds" in underneath the scope.. It mounts to the rail. It is easy and GREAT!

 

[Raythemanroe]

I use one on most any gun I have, got in the habit with archery.. I swear by them



Ray

 

[Medic505]

I use the B-Square level that fixes to your scope rail. They are about 15 bucks from Brownell's. I put a drop or two of epoxy on the end where the level slides in. I had one (the level) come out one day during a match. They must use wimpy glue. Other than that they work great.

 

[Dos XX]

I use one from Ken Farrell Industries. They attach to the rail. They are a nice piece of machining. They aren't on their website yet. Call them and they will fix you up.

 

[Medic505]

What do they cost Russell? Everything I've ever purchased from Ken Ferrell has been top notch stuff.

 

[Dos XX]

I'm thinking they are about $75.00. It has been a while since I bought mine, so I don't remember exactly. Talk to Jerry.

They install the bubbles and tests them on a jig they made using a surface plate. I promise they are way more accurate than most of them. They use a really high quality bubble as well.

 

[brxbrad]

http://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-riflescope-accessory-bubble-level-bl30-bl35.html

I've been using one now for about 6yrs. Really helps with consistancy. This is the one I use.

 

[nfngun]

I picked up a U.S. Optics hinged anti-cant device. I really like it during prep time / set up and when on the bench testing loads. I do like having it for a quick reference if shooting on not so level ground and the gun jumps sideways. Not all shooting positions will be flat. My practice range is one of them. A slight slop and the rifle will start too slide in that direction.

But depending on how good of a shooter you are I personally didn't find it to be a game changer once I start a string and the position is for the most part flat. I was able to use it for a 500 yard match right after i got it on my .223 FTR rig. I'm no where near a top shooter so bad wind calls where far more detrimental to me then if the rifle was canted a hair.

As a tool to appease our OCD its nice, but definitely not mandatory IMO. My scores have pretty much remained the same since my first competition with nothing but a Harris and rear bag. Last match was an extra wide bipod and a level on the rail. My scores went down likely due to shooting a different range with crazy wind.

READING THE WIND! ... far more important

The cons its one more thing to focus on ...
It lets you know when your target isn't level. I get this itch that i cant scratch i want to run down range and level my target mid string.

 

[Medic505]

I picked up a U.S. Optics hinged anti-cant device. I really like it during prep time / set up and when on the bench testing loads. I do like having it for a quick reference. Depending how good of a shooter you are I personally didn't find it to be a game changer once I start a string. I was able to use it for a 500 yard match right afer i got it on my .223 FTR rig. I'm no where near a top shooter so bad wind calls are far more detrimental to me then if the rifle was canted a hair.

As a tool to appease our OCD its nice, but definitely not mandatory IMO. My scores have pretty much remained the same since my first competition with nothing but a Harris and rear bag. Last match was an extra wide bipod and a level on the rail. My scores went down most likely due shooting a different range with crazy wind.

READING THE WIND! ... far more important then any other factor.


The cons its one more thing to focus on ... the scope being perfectly The one thing that will drive you crazy is when your target isn't

You have much to learn weedhopper.....

 

[lawrence97]

I use one for f-open and used one in the past when I shot from a bipod. More necessary shooting from a bipod since you have bipod cant and terrain to worry about. For f-open I use it for initial setup in the rest and glance at it once in a while to make sure everything remains level. On a bipod its a must if you want to remain consistent from shot to shot and to ensure any scope adjustment is made on a level platform. It also allows you to analyze follow thru and rifle position/cant after each shot.

Here is what I use:
https://www.accuracy1stdg.com/store/catDetail.cfm?catID=65

 

[nfngun]

Yes i do and i openly admit it ... at this point a slightly canted scope is the least of my problems ...

A group of 4 of use went to a match together. All of us Shooting .223 ...both on the line throwing shots in the same place. Our pullers though it was uncanny ... WIND ... my level had nothing to do with it.

I picked up a U.S. Optics hinged anti-cant device. I really like it during prep time / set up and when on the bench testing loads. I do like having it for a quick reference. Depending how good of a shooter you are I personally didn't find it to be a game changer once I start a string. I was able to use it for a 500 yard match right afer i got it on my .223 FTR rig. I'm no where near a top shooter so bad wind calls are far more detrimental to me then if the rifle was canted a hair.

As a tool to appease our OCD its nice, but definitely not mandatory IMO. My scores have pretty much remained the same since my first competition with nothing but a Harris and rear bag. Last match was an extra wide bipod and a level on the rail. My scores went down most likely due shooting a different range with crazy wind.

READING THE WIND! ... far more important then any other factor.


The cons its one more thing to focus on ... the scope being perfectly The one thing that will drive you crazy is when your target isn't

You have much to learn weedhopper.....

 

[savageshooter86]

I use one. At 1000 yards I think it helps

 

[Alex Wheeler]

The scope can be canted on the gun, the gun can be canted. So long as it is canted for the whole string the groups will be the same. What matters is consistency. I find I can see the crosshairs being level much better than a bubble.

 

[Immike]

For any ultra long field shooting it's a very necessary part of the rifle. Once that is appreciated then using one in competition doesn't take any convincing. I use the offset but anything you can see from position I'm sure will work.

 

[crowsnest2002]

The scope can be canted on the gun, the gun can be canted. So long as it is canted for the whole string the groups will be the same. What matters is consistency. I find I can see the crosshairs being level much better than a bubble.

I would think you could use the target frame as a good reference point with the cross hairs. I'm going in without one and am going to focus on the crosshairs being level. If I were going to be shooting at any other place than a range I would probably worry about it more. I will probably get one sooner or later though when I get a few under my belt Thanks for all the input on what you guys are using. I actually kind of like the bsquare rail mount.

 

[people]

On a square range not needed the target frames will or at least give you level. Hunting at long range then yes you should have one.

 

[jr600yd]

Use one! Really doesn't matter what make as they all do the same thing. You'd be surprised how a little cant will move you from the X ring to the 7 ring.

 

[BCoates]

I use one that mounts to the scope on my F-TR rig. It help when setting up the bipod. After i get everything set up, I usually check the bubble before and after every string. Sometimes I will check in the middle of the string if I stop shooting because of a bad wind condition.

BC

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I totally agree with Medic505 and others here. I also have a couple of the B-Square levels that Dean talked about. They are indeed inexpensive and work quite well. I had to go to a model that mounted on the side of my scope because I could not use the B-Square on my current rifle, but that's about to change and I will finally be able to mount one.

Just as a comment, I adjust the level of the rifle before I get into final position and I lock it down on the bipod. Makes things easier for me.