ANSCHUTZ 1416 HB 22lr with 2 Stage Trigger !!

[6789boat]

Cabelas now sells an Anschutz 1416 HB 22lr for $110 that has a 2 stage trigger that is essentially the same as their 2 stage trigger on the Anschutz 1712 rife. My question is there a real advantage for me to get this new rifle over the regular 1416 HB 22lr if I am using it for target shooting and some small game hunting?. Many thanks.

 

[1Merlin]

For 110.00 I might buy one myself.... ;D

 

[6789boat]

Correction: $ 1100.00. So is this 2 stage trigger really necessary ?? Thanks.

 

[Outrider27]

2 stage triggers are not necessary, but they are widely used on target rifles and some/many target shooters seem to prefer them. I look for the quality of the trigger break and live with whether it is single stage or two stage. If it feels right, I don't really care, although given a choice up front, I tend to choose single stage - just a personal preference that definitely isn't a deal breaker.

 

[1Merlin]

For rifles.....The short answer .. well there is not really a short answer. From a bench or rest I would go with a single stage trigger. The gun is not moving around nor being carried so a light(er) trigger weight is still safe and is definitely easier to shoot accurately.

Shooting offhand (not rushed) I would definitely go with a two stage. My smallbore silhouette rifles (2 lb minimum trigger pull required) are set with the first stage requiring around 24 oz and the second stage being 12 oz. Prep the trigger until it "hits the second stage/stop) and then when the sight picture is correct a tiny additional pressure send the shot downrange.

Lots more to this subject depending on your usage of the gun.

 

[1Merlin]

And... You can always adjust the second stage out of the trigger if you wish..... Unless the gun is to be strictly a Bench gun I would do the two stage. With an Anschutz you can purchase various springs to do different things with the trigger.

 

[6789boat]

I appreciate both Outrider's and 1Merlin's replies. What I was looking for was why a 2 stage trigger is used, because after extensive internet searches the topic wasn't found. Bottom line, if I am going to be be doing primarily offhand shooting, then it doesn't seem in anyway suboptimal to buy the 1416 with the 2 stage trigger (especially if I can in essence make it a single stage trigger later on).

I wanted to get a more accurate gun then my Winchester 9422 and so I stumbled across this new 2 stage 1416 HD made only for Cabelas, at least initially, when I was looking to buy a another rifle.
Learning to shoot with a 2 stage trigger will very likely make shooting more interesting for me.

Many thanks.

 

[Outrider27]

The main reason given to me (here we're going back to the coaching of a couple of Marine Corps Gunnery Sargeants many years ago) harkens back to what 1Merlin said. In position shooting, even prone, you have a wobble area, and what you work on is first making the pattern of motion consistant, then making it as small as possible while keeping the motion consistant, all the time working on keeping the center of the target in the same chosen portion of your wobble area for each shot (this is one of the main uses of dryfire practice).

Having developed that consistant motion, you then work on timing the shot so that it goes off as you come into the center of the target during this natural motion. For many, it is a huge help while doing that to have some motion of the trigger that then comes to a halt when you aproach actual shot let-off - this tells you that let-off is eminent and lets you pause for a (very) brief moment to allow your sight picture to improve if you have passed the target center of your wobble area and need to come back, or have not yet approached it closely enough, so that tactual shot let-off occurs as close to the target center of your wobble area as possible. That sequence is especially important in the offhand position, where your wobble area is going to be the largest.

My most interesting experience (and one made a bit easier by the 2 stage trigger) was learning to shoot a Hammerli match grade air rifle with a trigger that never varied from its letoff weight, which was about 2 ounces. It has a dry fire feature, which is very handy when someone tries it for the first time, as they invariably touch the trigger and it goes off without them even realizing it, except for the click. A few more dryfires to get the hang of it and you cock it for real and turn them loose.