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Another 6mm Remington AI "the bug bites again"

wildcatter

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Built this Varmint rig this year from a Pence hand cut 6mm barrel I built in 6mm AI about 15 years ago. I took the barrel off and put it in the safe about 10 years ago after 1200 rounds had the throat totally gone. It was a 27.5" 1-10 twist and on the 722 action it was pushing 80 Berger MEF's at 3567 fps with over 50 grains of 4831. Took it to my buddy Fred at Sharp Shooter Supply and we scoped it, he thought if we got rid of 4-5 inches of it we could get into new bore, and after cutting the chamber 6mm BR Norma No Turn I would have a perfect barrel again. HE WAS SPOT ON!

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The resurrected barrel went on an Axis action that was trued and altered to use a standard recoil lug, and it was chambered for a no turn 6mm BR Norma. But even though it shoots great, and connects reliably, it has proven to be lacking in terminal performance after about 500 to 550 yards, just poking holes in the chucks out that far. It is definitely running out of steam.

So here I go again, my fondness of the 6mm AI, and needing terminal performance as well as pinpoint accuracy, has led me to new needs, my next build is coming together. This time with better Brass, Lapua. I had my choice of 30-06, or 8x57. I chose the 8X57 simply because I feel the less manipulation should hold Lapuas tight tolerances closer after my necking down?

For this build I have an uncut Camo (green brown and charcoal) Laminated Blank, that will be turned down inletted and pillars installed by Fred Moreo at Sharp Shooter Supply, as well as all smithing and metal work, the man is a genius with Savage actions, which this will be built on with his trigger.

The next big change for this new 6mm AI is the barrel, since Ron refuses to put his talents back to work and build me a hand cut barrel, and continues to allow his precision barrel table to set idol, I am forced to turn to a machine cut rifled Krieger for my blank. It is a 1.250" for 5" tapering to 1.05" at the muzzle at 31.5". It is a .236" bore with .243" 4 groove.

I also plan on running the Elite Hunter 108 bullets from Berger after a discussion with my old friend Bob Blaine at Berger. His advice for my purpose, knowing the speed of the round might be trying on the thinner jackets the Elite Hunter is built with, but assuring it will give the terminal performance I'm looking for out past 600 yards, in which if that becomes the case we will turn to the 105 hybrid match, for it's tougher jacket, just in case the rpm's and heat bother the Elite and their becomes a issue with coming apart before it reaches my target.

My last issue will be if my fondness of 4831 starts to become an issue with these heavier pills, I have decided to acquire a 8# canister of 7828 as well as the 4831, just in case the 28" tubes decides it would prefer a slightly slower propellent. Both sitting on the bench waiting to see which one will get to wear the new tube out!

As the building starts, and I deliver the parts to Fred I will post more pictures and details as they develop, but this is all I have now.
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It is unbelievable at 67 and doing this the past 50 years, I still act like a kid a in a candy store when I start a new build,,,,, always wondering,,,,, will this be the last?
 
I'm just now starting to do load development for my newly built Savage 111 in 257 Roberts AI.
Although the synthetic stock hunting rifle looks nowhere near as good as yours!

I really like the use of the Savage Axis action on yours!
 
Built this Varmint rig this year from a Pence hand cut 6mm barrel I built in 6mm AI about 15 years ago. I took the barrel off and put it in the safe about 10 years ago after 1200 rounds had the throat totally gone. It was a 27.5" 1-10 twist and on the 722 action it was pushing 80 Berger MEF's at 3567 fps with over 50 grains of 4831. Took it to my buddy Fred at Sharp Shooter Supply and we scoped it, he thought if we got rid of 4-5 inches of it we could get into new bore, and after cutting the chamber 6mm BR Norma No Turn I would have a perfect barrel again. HE WAS SPOT ON!

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The resurrected barrel went on an Axis action that was trued and altered to use a standard recoil lug, and it was chambered for a no turn 6mm BR Norma. But even though it shoots great, and connects reliably, it has proven to be lacking in terminal performance after about 500 to 550 yards, just poking holes in the chucks out that far. It is definitely running out of steam.

So here I go again, my fondness of the 6mm AI, and needing terminal performance as well as pinpoint accuracy, has led me to new needs, my next build is coming together. This time with better Brass, Lapua. I had my choice of 30-06, or 8x57. I chose the 8X57 simply because I feel the less manipulation should hold Lapuas tight tolerances closer after my necking down?

For this build I have an uncut Camo (green brown and charcoal) Laminated Blank, that will be turned down inletted and pillars installed by Fred Moreo at Sharp Shooter Supply, as well as all smithing and metal work, the man is a genius with Savage actions, which this will be built on with his trigger.

The next big change for this new 6mm AI is the barrel, since Ron refuses to put his talents back to work and build me a hand cut barrel, and continues to allow his precision barrel table to set idol, I am forced to turn to a machine cut rifled Krieger for my blank. It is a 1.250" for 5" tapering to 1.05" at the muzzle at 31.5". It is a .236" bore with .243" 4 groove.

I also plan on running the Elite Hunter 108 bullets from Berger after a discussion with my old friend Bob Blaine at Berger. His advice for my purpose, knowing the speed of the round might be trying on the thinner jackets the Elite Hunter is built with, but assuring it will give the terminal performance I'm looking for out past 600 yards, in which if that becomes the case we will turn to the 105 hybrid match, for it's tougher jacket, just in case the rpm's and heat bother the Elite and their becomes a issue with coming apart before it reaches my target.

My last issue will be if my fondness of 4831 starts to become an issue with these heavier pills, I have decided to acquire a 8# canister of 7828 as well as the 4831, just in case the 28" tubes decides it would prefer a slightly slower propellent. Both sitting on the bench waiting to see which one will get to wear the new tube out!

As the building starts, and I deliver the parts to Fred I will post more pictures and details as they develop, but this is all I have now.
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It is unbelievable at 67 and doing this the past 50 years, I still act like a kid a in a candy store when I start a new build,,,,, always wondering,,,,, will this be the last?
The 105 Hybrids and Reloder 26 got me north of 3400 in a 26" 8 twist. By far the best performing powder for my barrel. 7828 isn't a bad opinion though.

The Hybrids can take the spin.
 
There are several powders that will work with the 6mm AI with plenty of speed, both these should be excellent 100 fps is irrelevant, but accuracy will be priority one.

Hope the 108 Elite Hunters work, they will be a much better choice for Varmint hunting out to 800 yards and beyond, what this rig is being built for. That 6BR has everything out 600 taken care of, just runs outta steam just before it gets there, nice and light as well,,,, this rig won't be.
 
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Built this Varmint rig this year from a Pence hand cut 6mm barrel I built in 6mm AI about 15 years ago. I took the barrel off and put it in the safe about 10 years ago after 1200 rounds had the throat totally gone. It was a 27.5" 1-10 twist and on the 722 action it was pushing 80 Berger MEF's at 3567 fps with over 50 grains of 4831. Took it to my buddy Fred at Sharp Shooter Supply and we scoped it, he thought if we got rid of 4-5 inches of it we could get into new bore, and after cutting the chamber 6mm BR Norma No Turn I would have a perfect barrel again. HE WAS SPOT ON!

View attachment 1273390

The resurrected barrel went on an Axis action that was trued and altered to use a standard recoil lug, and it was chambered for a no turn 6mm BR Norma. But even though it shoots great, and connects reliably, it has proven to be lacking in terminal performance after about 500 to 550 yards, just poking holes in the chucks out that far. It is definitely running out of steam.

So here I go again, my fondness of the 6mm AI, and needing terminal performance as well as pinpoint accuracy, has led me to new needs, my next build is coming together. This time with better Brass, Lapua. I had my choice of 30-06, or 8x57. I chose the 8X57 simply because I feel the less manipulation should hold Lapuas tight tolerances closer after my necking down?

For this build I have an uncut Camo (green brown and charcoal) Laminated Blank, that will be turned down inletted and pillars installed by Fred Moreo at Sharp Shooter Supply, as well as all smithing and metal work, the man is a genius with Savage actions, which this will be built on with his trigger.

The next big change for this new 6mm AI is the barrel, since Ron refuses to put his talents back to work and build me a hand cut barrel, and continues to allow his precision barrel table to set idol, I am forced to turn to a machine cut rifled Krieger for my blank. It is a 1.250" for 5" tapering to 1.05" at the muzzle at 31.5". It is a .236" bore with .243" 4 groove.

I also plan on running the Elite Hunter 108 bullets from Berger after a discussion with my old friend Bob Blaine at Berger. His advice for my purpose, knowing the speed of the round might be trying on the thinner jackets the Elite Hunter is built with, but assuring it will give the terminal performance I'm looking for out past 600 yards, in which if that becomes the case we will turn to the 105 hybrid match, for it's tougher jacket, just in case the rpm's and heat bother the Elite and their becomes a issue with coming apart before it reaches my target.

My last issue will be if my fondness of 4831 starts to become an issue with these heavier pills, I have decided to acquire a 8# canister of 7828 as well as the 4831, just in case the 28" tubes decides it would prefer a slightly slower propellent. Both sitting on the bench waiting to see which one will get to wear the new tube out!

As the building starts, and I deliver the parts to Fred I will post more pictures and details as they develop, but this is all I have now.
View attachment 1273391

It is unbelievable at 67 and doing this the past 50 years, I still act like a kid a in a candy store when I start a new build,,,,, always wondering,,,,, will this be the last?
Fred Moreo is absolutely fantastic and always treated me well. Lisa always is pleasant and gets my questions answered quickly ! He's a one man show and worth the wait in my opinion.
 
I'll will be sticking with IMR 4831 or IMR7828 as I have had great luck with these powders in previous 6MM and 257 bob ackleys in the past. Not to mention I have over 20# on hand between them.

Barrel life won't be an issue, this is a varmint rifle, not a target rifle, so once it's dialed in, it will see very few range trips, confirmation only, and at 67 if I kill 100 varmints a year (and that's wishful thinking since this only for 500 yards and beyond).

When I'm 77 I'll gladly build another barrel,,,, that might be wishful thinking as well?
 
I'll will be sticking with IMR 4831 or IMR7828 as I have had great luck with these powders in previous 6MM and 257 bob ackleys in the past. Not to mention I have over 20# on hand between them.

Barrel life won't be an issue, this is a varmint rifle, not a target rifle, so once it's dialed in, it will see very few range trips, confirmation only, and at 67 if I kill 100 varmints a year (and that's wishful thinking since this only for 500 yards and beyond).

When I'm 77 I'll gladly build another barrel,,,, that might be wishful thinking as well?
perfect - same age age me, but i am idiot hoarder and always stockpiling stuff I might need!!!
stan
 
Took a ride to Michigan today and found what I was looking for at a worthy price. Stainless Steel Apex action, with a 30-06 barrel attached. The donor action I was looking for, more parts for the candy store!
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So Monday morning it's time to drop the action and misc. parts off with Fred, and take the 31" Heavy Krieger barrel on to Kathi @ CryoPlus an hour down the road, for -300* fridge treatment, and back to reality. Then Kathy will send it on the Fred for his final magic touch. Slowey coming together, more later as it happens.
 
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You'll love the 6mm AI, I have one built by Richard Franklin on a 40X, shoots one hole groups and kills critters way out there. It's heavy so not much recoil, with 85 gr. Hornaday's. It's difficult for me to get to eastern MT. , my shooting is limited to gophers in western MT, so I don't shoot it. It's a little over kill on gophers a 250 yards. Good luck and enjoy.
 
Been pretty busy after dropping the Barrel off to Kathie at Cryo Plus and the action off to Fred at Sharp Shooter Supply, I took off for the lake this week, to hot here to do anything. But I am heading back for the weekend with Mrs. catter after mowing the lawn and taking care of a couple things here. But before I leave I'll post a little update.

I've been questioned about brass in pm's so for all wondering, I am sizing down and necking down, 8x57 Lapua brass. I have ran 6 off, with only the first being ruined. I figured out just run them thru a 7x57 Mauser FL die, then a 257 Roberts FL, and finally a 6mm Remington FL. Easy peasy and 100% perfect cases after the first mistake, the 6mm AI die is way to flat a shoulder to use.

I did get my first look at the new stock when I got to Fred's, its the second one from the far right, brand new and untouched so far looks good.
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And one of where it will all come together, along with the donor barrel in 243 win from my 6BR build that will become a 6mm AI so I will have a dedicated fireform barrel, as well as a hunting barrel if I would want to take a ride out west for speed goats or deer.
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After the deep freeze here of course.
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I will get a few details and pics up forming brass next week. I chose the 8x57 IS over 30-06 because I believe it it will finish better with less manipulating the parent case. This 8X57 to 6mm Remington is quite easy to form down, plus I will fireform without bullets so I can turn the necks to give me about .0003" clearance when done. I would have to turn any for the no turn chamber as the necks ticken to much from either case when drawn down this far.
 
Yeah, i'll second that!
Although i'm using 7X57 brass for my 257 Roberts & AI.
Simple one pass through the 257 Roberts FL die.

For my fireforming to AI, i do use bullets. Simple load to parent case. Still accurate, though velocities down a little. Plus equates to some good trigger time.
 
Would have loved to start with a 7x57 case, but Lapua doesn't offer it. My only choice was 30/06 or 8×57, the closest choices I had. I was not interested in other brands, as if you look ar what brass is dominating in about any rifle competition it seems the top shooters rely on Lapua to deliver optimum results, and in all my years competing find it my only choice thru past results.

I did some 06 cases before my decision. It was a pain. Plus it took more time, slow and short stroking my passes seemed to be needed to get any kind of keeper rate, which wasn't bad but was time consuming and not near as good as 100% with the 8x57 cases. Plus a lot more trimmer time.
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The only drawback to the 8x57 was price! $155.00 a hundred. The 06 brass from Lapua is only around 100 bucks, if you can find it!
 
Yeah, mine is strictly for hunting. Minute of coyote at 400 yards does me just fine. :D

So when i found 7X57 Mauser PPU brass for cheap, i jumped on it!
I had grabbed some for my 7mm-08AI when i had it. With 140gr Berger VLD & Alliant PP2000MR I was getting 6fps ES, 2fps SD.
 
This original build for this barrel is varmints, but not under 500 yards. I have everything out to 500 covered with the 6mm BR.

But this will later, maybe next spring be for 600 yard paper, if I can make up my mind on the cartridge. But for this build just going for varmints at 500 yards to about 800, maybe 1000, just have to see where the 108 run outa steam?
 
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I've used 7X57 Norma with good results forming to 6mm AI. I use the reformed to 6mm for target and critters then planned to use the 6mm AI cases for the long range shooting. I used N-160 (48)gr.) & 75gr V-Max.. I haven't shot my 6mm AI for a number of years, it's been in a gun store for sale for about 2 years with no takers. It's a Richard Franklin build on a 40X action, heavy laminated stock. It will shoot, (.156 -5 shot groups) and has shot 400 to 425 rnds, if previous owner was truthful. My age is biting me (80 in Feb), so my traveling is limited.
 
I'm catching ya KG, its not that my traveling is limited, it's the days these old joints allow it to travel, and where! I finally got my bullets, will have 500 108 Elite Hunters here tomorrow, and will be forming brass this week.

Only hold up now is waiting on the barrel to be delivered to Fred. I do have 70 rounds in 6mm Remington brass that is already Ackley Improved from the last barrel. So getting anxious to begin working on new loads with the new rifle is putting it mildly.

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I will be blowing the new cases out with Bullseye and cream of wheat, this will be the first fire forming I have ever done this way. In the past I always did as kittitas George does, and used the factory fired cases as practice and barrel break in. The main reason I am deciding to try this method of fire forming is to eliminate the chance of dealing with a donut, and hopefully having more precise turned necks on the first go around as well as any trimming needed.

the work is about to begin, as I used the factory 243 barrel from the 6mm BR for a fireforming and light hunting barrel. So hopefully even if the new barrel isn't here, I will be forming and cutting the new brass next week?
 

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