Annealing made perfect

[Jay Christopherson]

Almost any consistency gains to case necks is a "win, win" and worthy. If the "sort" feature can directly attribute would be very innovative. I applaud AMP for there advancements in annealing technology, and like Lou, believe Aztec "Sort" to be a game changer, taking annealing to a higher level.
Donovan

Yeah, I don't really believe in overkill in terms of technology advancement. The new features (one, the other, or both) might not be useful for some, but the beauty is that you don't have to pay for it if you don't need/want it. Can't see how they'll go wrong here.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I'm still trying to figure out what knowing the difference in mass inserted into the machine is going to tell you.

Can you infer case capacity? I don't understand how.

Can you determine if you have necks of different thicknesses? I don't see that as being possible without making a huge assumption that the rest of the case wall is exactly the same.

I guess you could sort so that you get perfectly even annealing - that makes sense to me.

 

[Bob L.]

A good % of what we do reloading is likely overkill.
Ben

The question is: which %? I sure don't know, so I do it all.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

I'm still trying to figure out what knowing the difference in mass inserted into the machine is going to tell you.

Can you infer case capacity? I don't understand how.

Can you determine if you have necks of different thicknesses? I don't see that as being possible without making a huge assumption that the rest of the case wall is exactly the same.

I guess you could sort so that you get perfectly even annealing - that makes sense to me.

It's hard to say without knowing more about what the hardware is capable of doing. At a minimum, they've stated that the sort feature can tell the difference in neck thicknesses. And it's apparently sensitive enough that backing the pilot out by .001" ( will change the results of the sort read.

Maybe it could be used to determine whether cases have developed a donut (it sees enough of the case to see that at least), since there would be extra mass at the shoulder/neck. That might be useful to some guys. I'd guess it can certainly be used to sort for "perfect annealing" if that ends up mattering. Maybe it could detect latent cracks in the neck? I dunno - it's interesting to think about. At the very least, it detects that things are "different" and a little of onus is on you to determine what that difference could be.

I'd imagine too, that if you wanted to be very specific about measure neck thickness, that you could back the pilot out so that only the neck is being exposed to the unit (instead of the usual neck/shoulder). Then get your "0" reading and work from there.

 

[DT]

If backing the pilot out .001 will change the results of the sort read wouldn't you have to make sure that all your case rims were of a uniform thickness where they're held in the pilot by the shell holder?

 

[Jay Christopherson]

If backing the pilot out .001 will change the results of the sort read wouldn't you have to make sure that all your case rims were of a uniform thickness where they're held in the pilot by the shell holder?

hmm, I don't see how that makes a difference, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[DT]

hmm, I don't see how that makes a difference, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Think back to the shell holder problems with the original run of Norma Dasher brass. Rim thickness varied several thousandths to the extent Redding made a special run of shell holders. Getting picky but a thicker rim sitting in the AMP shell holder could have the same effect as raising the pilot that .001.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

Think back to the shell holder problems with the original run of Norma Dasher brass. Rim thickness varied several thousandths to the extent Redding made a special run of shell holders. Getting picky but a thicker rim sitting in the AMP shell holder could have the same effect as raising the pilot that .001.

Not gonna lie, I think that's a bit of a reach...

 

[PatMiles]

Think back to the shell holder problems with the original run of Norma Dasher brass. Rim thickness varied several thousandths to the extent Redding made a special run of shell holders. Getting picky but a thicker rim sitting in the AMP shell holder could have the same effect as raising the pilot that .001.

HUH?

 

[DT]

Daug
With an AMP, the cases sit shoulder down on the pilots, and the shell holder simply serves as a handle for removing the cases (primarily when there hot), that has no effect on the process.
Watch one of the operation video's !.!.!
Donovan

Donovan: My point/question/ idle musing, whatever, was if the user could change the sort result by backing the pilot out part of a turn (.001) why couldn't the wildly varying rim thickness on the Norma Dasher brass cause the same issue? Waiting to see some user reviews on the Aztec before ordering, think it might be worth having, particularly on the WSSM brass but will have to wait for their release on that data/pilot also. That'll put me at either 17 or 18 pilots--I really do like using the machine.

 

[jimmymac]

This is for the short range guys...Do any of you even bother to anneal?

 

[kneedtospeed]

I believe what DT is saying is, as the brass hangs inverted, by the shell holder, inside the AMP, the rim thickness will determine How Deep it is actually inserted into the AMP.
A thou there, would show as the same as the Pilot being backed out a thousandth.

 

[cognac jack]

Assuming the distance from the shoulder to the base of the cartridge is always the same, the thickness of the shoulder would not have any effect on the distance that is actually inserted in the pilot. It would always be the same. If a shoulder was thicker the thickness measurement would be on the inside of the case. Hope this makes sense.

 

[josh shrum]

This is for the short range guys...Do any of you even bother to anneal?

Yessir!

PM Sent

 

[jimmymac]

Yessir!

PM Sent

I should have been more specific. I'm talking about SR group shooting with a PPC. I am under the impression that guys pretty much don't bother with it.

 

[kneedtospeed]

Assuming the distance from the shoulder to the base of the cartridge is always the same, the thickness of the shoulder would not have any effect on the distance that is actually inserted in the pilot. It would always be the same. If a shoulder was thicker the thickness measurement would be on the inside of the case. Hope this makes sense.

No, that is incorrect.
You are assuming a measurement from the shoulder, to the BASE.
The measurement being discussed, is from a Different Point, on the Base. The brass hangs inverted, so the New Point would actually be measured from Inside of the Extractor Groove, Not the bottom, external point of the BASE.

 

[PatMiles]

I should have been more specific. I'm talking about SR group shooting with a PPC. I am under the impression that guys pretty much don't bother with it.

Given that it takes minutes to anneal 50 cases with my AMP, I anneal my 6.5 CM and 6PPC after each firing.

 

[kneedtospeed]

DT was discussing thickness of the RIM, Not the shoulder, and He's correct.

 

[jimmymac]

Given that it takes minutes to anneal 50 cases with my AMP, I anneal my 6.5 CM and 6PPC after each firing.

Are you doing that between relays?

 

[PatMiles]

Are you doing that between relays?

Truth be known, I don't shoot matches. If I did it would be easy peasy to have 100 pieces of brass annealed and ready to be loaded at the match