Annealing Made Perfect Results

[Ccrider]

I don’t know what I am doing, but I can get my Es in the teens without annealing.

 

[Tech0214]

Show a couple before pics of groupings.

Groups didnt change. All from load development annealed with the Annealeeze. I’m sure my 500 yard group would of been tighter with more consistent velocity. The other are 5 shot groups at 100 with my .260 Rem.

 

[Joe Salt]

I don’t know what I am doing, but I can get my Es in the teens without annealing.

Then your good to go! If things change you know what to try first.

Joe Salt

 

[Joe Salt]

Got a Little vertical in the one with 43 Gr.

Joe Salt

 

[Milo 2.0]

Groups didnt change. All from load development annealed with the Annealeeze. I’m sure my 500 yard group would of been tighter with more consistent velocity. The other are 5 shot groups at 100 with my .260 Rem.

I think you are right, duplicating conditions may be tough, but try it and show us results.

 

[Milo 2.0]

Groups didnt change. All from load development annealed with the Annealeeze. I’m sure my 500 yard group would of been tighter with more consistent velocity. The other are 5 shot groups at 100 with my .260 Rem.

I shouldn't say this, but I have always questioned single torch annealing machines myself. One side done, other not, one side done, other side cooked, too tough to control.
I finally bought the Mark II myself, have not used it yet, but will try Aztec mode.

 

[Tech0214]

This is the laser pointer if anyone is interested.

 

[PatMiles]

And the beauty of the AMP is the fact that it is so easy to use!

 

[zipollini]

Some of the top shooters don’t anneal at all. I doubt their Es is 30-40.

David Tubb mentioned in a recent video that if you jam your bullets into the lands you don't need to anneal.

 

[Joe Salt]

I"m one of those weirdos that doesn't have good luck with bullets in the lands!


Joe Salt

 

[JimSC]

I hope no one tells my chronograph that I don't anneal, damn if I know how I get SD's down that low without a AMP or a FX 120i but I do it repeatedly with different powders and bullets. Not all but I always seem to find a flat shooting load with darn near every bullet. Seem to me it is more the powder choice than anything to do with the case.

 

[KenOath]

David Tubb mentioned in a recent video that if you jam your bullets into the lands you don't need to anneal.

I’ve found ES went down during load development from jump to jam...

 

[KenOath]

From what Tech0214 has done, he tried one thing and it worked for him and that one thing was Annealing. So that tells me he knows what he is doing.
If more people would just try one thing at a time and find results like he has, then you might be saying to yourself hey I can figure things out myself instead of asking others for there magic bullet.
And as for 1000 yard shooters unless some want to chime in most do anneal.

Joe Salt

I believe there’s a fairly successful 1000yd record holder/setter at Deep Creek that doesn’t anneal brass...

 

[JimSC]

Is anyone claiming that single digit SD's are impossible or even hard to get without annealing, becasue that is just total BS. For 9 months I annealed after every firing, I was getting single digit SD's when I found a node. I stopped annealing three months ago, I still get single digit SD's and I have not been practicing precision shoot but a year now. I am sure the old timers here were busting rounds on long range silhouette targets 30 and 40 years ago

 

[Tech0214]

That’s funny how people claim to be able to do things with no prof.

 

[Sniper338]

I started reloading last week and I can get single digit ES without annealing, shooting factory ammo outta my 6.5 creedmoore.

 

[dcali]

This is one of those threads that shows why annealing is controversial. The op’s results are good. But the sample size is not significant. It’s not enough to call it either way. Throw in the possible interactions with other factors (someone brought up jamming), and it just gets confusing. Different calibers, bullets, etc, could also mask the effects of annealing (which if we are honest, could be negative or positive. I don’t know why everyone assumes annealing will always help.)

As for reasonable SDs without annealing, you absolutely can get comfortably into the single digits without annealing or doing any fancy seating force measurement. You don’t even need a fancy scale. I’ve done it myself with my TR rifle and I used a high enough round count for reasonable statistical confidence. Basic fundamental loading practices will do the job.

I don’t believe annealing is necessarily a waste of time, but I’m confident that it’s impact is small enough that it is difficult to test, and therefore low on the list of things to experiment with.

 

[Ccrider]

Not a waste of time for sure. But, if your Es is in the 20s to 40s, your problem is not that your brass needs annealing.

 

[Milo 2.0]

That’s funny how people claim to be able to do things with no prof.

Oh boy

 

[rwj]

I started reloading last week and I can get single digit ES without annealing, shooting factory ammo outta my 6.5 creedmoore.

You must have a talisman from Pirate Ammo