annealing copper bullet

[RW]

can a person anneal copper jackets of the bullet it self, in such bullets that are deemed to hard, if the first section of a jackets were softer than the rear
section would end up with bullets that could be mad custom bullet of their own desighn,In some tactical situation they do certain things to their projectiles Just thought that it might change the terminal performance of the bullet, Thanks
I drank the cool aid from barnes bullets and shoot elk, mule deer, and speed goats, One tinny going in and a tiny one going out the other side, all perfect kill shots, right behind the shoulder one was a mule deer at about 30 yards standing broadside with a great risk!!!!!! he didn't even know he was hit!!! able to drive right up to him just standing there that was a 300 win mag 180 grain ttx After that we bugle in bull elk have Barnes in 375H&H again perfect shot 80 yards a he doesn't know he is shot bullet makes small hole going in and a small hole going out, not much damage, bullets never recovered

maybe in Africa where the game is heavier and more bone that might be the ticket By the way I shoot barnes 235 grain at about 3,0000 fps for deer as I still have a few of the 235xlc with the blue coating still on them, I wish I could find some more of thes!!!! shot very accurate in my 375 H&H Ron

 

[civil82]

Providing that memory serves me correctly; Barnes suggests lighter bullets than typically needed, as compared to bonded bullets.

 

[ryanjay11]

Stop shooting behind the shoulder and start shooting them through the shoulders. I've been shooting Barnes with a high shoulder shot on whitetails for several years. The farthest I've had one go is a couple of steps. Usually, they just fall over.

 

[wapiti25]

Were the bullets TSX ?

 

[RW]

If I am trophy hunting I do shoot for the shoulder,(High scapula shot for the most destruction and fast kill) but when it is not a trophy animal I like to shoot behind the shoulder ( heart, Lung area) to save on meat destruction.
I was just wondering if you can anneal the all copper bullets to give them a little more terminal performance. Ron

 

[RW]

Yes the bullets that went right thru were TSX

 

[expiper]

I anneal all of my powder (usually 35-65 gr at a time),,,Roger

 

[RW]

yes I already anneal my powder but I do the 8lb jugs at on time!! you just have to use a larger torch and leave the flame on it a little longer!!! Only thing is the neighbors complain about the noise!!!

 

[dkhunt14]

In that 300 Mag I would just switch to a Berger 210 VLD HUNTING bullet and I guarantee he won't stand there and look at you. It works better if you anneal the primer. Makes more noise then Powder. Matt

 

[RW]

I mostly shoot Bergers and have had great success with them! But there is some rifles that just don't like them and then there is some calibers that Berger dosen't make bullets for. I was just wondering and it was just a thought that you could put the bullets in a tray of water that came up to just past the shank section of the bullet and apply heat to soften some of the harder jackets on the larger calibers in the nose section of the bullet.
Thanks Ron

 

[Brians356]

can a person anneal copper jackets of the bullet it self, in such bullets that are deemed to hard, if the first section of a jackets were softer than the rear
section would end up with bullets that could be mad custom bullet of their own desighn,

You ought to call Barnes and ask them how they feel about annealing their bullet to improve its terminal performance. I'd be very interested in their response.

 

[savagedasher]

I have a few boxes of barns TSX for sale I will post them . Larry

 

[MFG_BOP]

it MIGHT be of your interest:

http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Berger+VLD+annealing+tutorial.html

Theres a Youtube video on the bottom of the page.

 

[dkhunt14]

First off the Berger orange box is the same old bullet. It is the target version that got the thicker jackets. The problem with the Berger bullets blowing up because the guy that bought them out went to cheaper copper and reclaimed lead. That is why he went under and Berger bought them back. Now how do you think lead will react when you heat the bullet enough to anneal. Lead melts at annealing temps. Matt

 

[RW]

Thank You Very Much MFG_BOP That is exactly what I was thinking and had no idea that some one had already done it I can't wait to try it on a barnes and do some testing!! Thanks again, Ron

 

[Brians356]

Thank You Very Much MFG_BOP That is exactly what I was thinking and had no idea that some one had already done it I can't wait to try it on a barnes and do some testing!! Thanks again, Ron

How do you propose to test the annealed bullet, and document the difference in terminal performance? Seems like annealing is the easy part.

 

[Trapper243]

Probably just like anything else. Ballistic gelatin. Of course that stuff hardly is a good representation of a chest cavity. It is more like hitting a ham. In order to do it right, you need a hide, then ballistic gelatin with a bone to represent a rib, a whipped cream filling to represent the lungs, another bone in ballistic gelatin, and a good stretchy hide on the far side. To many forget how light the lungs are. Hard to get some bullets to expand in that lite of a media. Hard bullets need to be kept in the shoulders.

 

[ryanjay11]

Hard bullets need to be kept in the shoulders.

Exactly. This is an exercise in futility.

 

[RW]

It is very hard to test terminal performance!! With the methods that were listed ballistic gelatin and femure bones and also wet newspaper there is endless ways to test but that is why it is hard for bullet manufactures to duplicate the different conditions that a bullet will experience! I have seen a lot of animals shot with a lot of different bullets and what works in a certain situation may or may not in another! I have seen bullets make a 90degree turn inside an animal and travel from one end to another. I do believe the high scapula shot is the best when it presents it self, I do believe that a bullet should expend all of its energy inside the animal and not shoot a pencil sized hole thru it. But to get a bullet that will react properly in all situations is impossible, that is why I never judge a bullet by one experience but when I see more than one elk shot behind the shoulder with 375 H&H And he doesn't even know he is hit and the same with a 300 mag on more than one mule deer with what is called controlled expansion bullet traveling around 3100 fps and takes another bite of grass with the bullet going thru like a pencil, some times I like to shoot for meat and I don't want to destroy a front shoulder unlike if I am shooting at a trophy animal. I was just wondering if it was something that has been done by others (the copper annealing) and I found out that it has been done with the bullet in water up too the ogive. Thanks you as allways for the help and opinions. Ron

 

[expiper]

well kids here we have bullets that are so tuff that they dont work,,,I agree with the above poster that the bullet should shed its energy in the carcas of the animal and not shoot thru and kill a pine tree or rock on the other side,,,,ooo yes some will say they need a blood trail to track the game,,,I prefer to find it laying where I shot it!!!!,,,,if you would use Sierra bullets your problems will be solved,,,,and OBTW you gota hit em to kill em,,,and Sierra are the most accurate bullet on the market that can be used for hunting,,,,and I would rather tear up a little meat than loose the whole animal by it running off,,,Roger