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Annealer, Giraud or Benchsource

DennisH

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I have dediced to use one of the following: Giraud or Benchsource

Both have their good and bad points. The biggest difference is the Giraud has to have the wheels swapped out if changing bullet sizes! Benchsource does not. Benchsource does everything but 50's.

Does two torches really help on either?

I have everything from 223 up to 338's!

TELL ME WHAT TO BUY!
 
I have a ballistic edge annealer (400 model) that has a wheel that will take .223 up to the .338, I love it.

The giraud has to have the wheels changed but- it is self loading , a big plus if you have large quainities to do
 
I have the Giraud, in one I really like it, that is the hopper feature of the annealler, but what I don't like about is the valve that Doug provides with it, it is way way too corse and it is hard to set the flame at the proper lenght! Barely open it and it is too much, try to back it off and the flame will die out, it is just plain too corse, now if Doug has a way to fix that or if someone can tell me how to get a finer adjusment on the valve, I would say that this annealler would be the cat's meow! But till that lil problem gets fixed, I am just so so impressed!
 
Benchsource. I prefer two torches and have my tanks about 3 feet from the Annealer. I run two gas lines to the torches. I did not want the tanks hanging on the machine brackets. Unit is very precise and does a perfect job every time. Highly recommended.
 
I have the Benchsource and it's a great machine, well built and easy to use. I do not have and have not tried the Giraud annealer but I have the Giraud trimmer and it also is a great machine so I suspect he makes a great annealer, and the hopper would be a big plus.
 
Benchsource, and i set mine up like Charlie Watson with the bottle on the floor and no little propane bottles hanging off of the unit. I will say your groups will most definately shrink in size and grow in consistency. The process plain flat out works!

Frank
 
ridgeway said:
I don't see any reason why the Benchsource can't do 50's.
I just tried and a 50 case and it will not fit in the hole in the Benchsource standard top. Even with a custom top, the case may be to large to fit on the turn station and may not actually spin.
 
I have annealed a lot of Hornet cases on my Benchsource. Don't have a 50 but I guess it will do everthing up to that.

Dave
 
DennisH said:
I have dediced to use one of the following: Giraud or Benchsource

Both have their good and bad points. The biggest difference is the Giraud has to have the wheels swapped out if changing bullet sizes! Benchsource does not. Benchsource does everything but 50's.

Does two torches really help on either?

I have everything from 223 up to 338's!

TELL ME WHAT TO BUY!

I have the Giraud and I have never used the Benchsource, but I have friends who have the Benchsource.

Let me put it to you this way; just get one, you won't go wrong with either one or any of the other ones out there.

I never did much annealing because I went through brass faster than I thought annealing would help. In .223, my primer pockets would not hold a primer after 4-5 rounds, so I have a large supply of virgin brass that I cycle in as needed.

When I switched to .308 and started using Lapua brass exclusively for competition, I noticed that after several loadings, my primer pockets were still tight. I attribute this to two things: a less than maximum load (I prefer to use a longer barrel and let it do its thing,) and consistent use of a small base full length bushing sizing die.

I started my current run with 500 cases of Lapua brass, in 5 cartridge boxes and I am now on my eight loading. I bought the Giraud some months ago and all my cases have been annealed and I am now annealing for every load. The Giraud makes it easy for me, I turn it on, spark the flame, adjust it (and yes the valve is coarse but I am used to it now) and then I load the hopper with my 100 cases and let the processed brass fall into a huge cardboard box. 15 minutes later, I turn everything off, put away the Giraud and I put the brass back in the box and I can start my case prep process from there.

I only shoot 1000 yard F-T/R matches any more and what I have discovered since I started annealing the brass after every load is my scores have gone up and I don't seem to have as many "where-did-that-come-from?" moments during a match. At the last 1000 yard match I actually fired 5 Xs in a row, not too shabby for a .308. Of course, just when you think you have it nailed, the undetected condition change occurs, but that's my poor marksmanship, it's not the ammo.

All that to say, I am now a firm believer in annealing, especially if your brass will last you for multiple loads. So, it does not matter which one you get, just get one. If you have various cartridge sizes, get the one that will be easier for you to use. I only do one caliber, but may also start doing it for my .223 loads.
 
I happen to have both machines. The Giruad is set up and used weekly while the Benchsource is in a box, unused. I do large batches at one time and I really like being able to load the hopper (or have my 10 yr old son do that) and go to another task. Works great.
 
I normally anneal after each firing. I have some 6BR Lapua brass that is on its 32 loading with no problems so far.

Dave
 
DennisH said:
Does the Benchsource use two torches or just one?

Dennis- You can use both torches or one. The unit's microprocessor is adjustable from 1.5 - 10 seconds. I use both torches set at 4 seconds for my .308 cases. Your time will vary with the closeness of the blue needle flame from the case.

Get the Benchsource.
 
Bayou Shooter is spot on i.e. just get one and start using it. Annealing is the Holy Grail for getting that sweet repeatable accuracy. We do ours all manually with the great American reloading tool i.e. 18V DeWalt.
 
What torch are you guys using for your bench source annealers? I'm thinking that the Bernzomatic JT539 would work good but wanted some input, just ordered the annealer.
 
Those torches WILL NOT fit their clamps unless you have bench source open them up to accommodate the larger tip.
Ron

wvuredneck09 said:
What torch are you guys using for your bench source annealers? I'm thinking that the Bernzomatic JT539 would work good but wanted some input, just ordered the annealer.
 
Head to Home Depot and get two Bernzomatic Fatboy torch kits for like $12

In addition to, I use two Worthington torch extension hoses so I can set the propane bottles on the bench rather than suspended from the annealer.

http://www.amazon.com/Worthington-Cylinder-309336-Extention-Torch/dp/B002FXGLV2
 

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