AMP vs Flame Group Sizes

[rijndael]

For those of you who have tested your group size differences with an AMP annealer vs flame annealer, would you be willing to share your findings?

 

[Ranger188]

This video was done by Eric Cortina

 

[rijndael]

Thanks. I’ve seen to one already.

I’m looking for complimentary data, or counter, to what AMP claims about group sizes.

 

[quest450]

there are certain things in my reloading process that do not need testing, I might be better off not knowing and wasting my barrel life......IMO of course

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

i'm going to start a series with my new br dasher build on youtube. i think i'm going to break in the barrel by doing a bunch of random testing with annealing on some new alpha brass.

i was debating doing flame, but it would be something like this:

starting with all virgin brass, 3 cases in each set.

unannealed
amp annealed
flame annealed

after each firing, i will be recording group size, velocity, amp press graph force, shoulder bump, and neck spring back.

repeat this probably 5 times each

let me know if you all would like to see this done. i am open to any other ideas as well.

 

[DLT]

i'm going to start a series with my new br dasher build on youtube. i think i'm going to break in the barrel by doing a bunch of random testing with annealing on some new alpha brass.

i was debating doing flame, but it would be something like this:

starting with all virgin brass, 3 cases in each set.

unannealed
amp annealed
flame annealed

after each firing, i will be recording group size, velocity, amp press graph force, shoulder bump, and neck spring back.

repeat this probably 5 times each

let me know if you all would like to see this done. i am open to any other ideas as well.

I’ll sure vote for it.

 

[jghoghunter]

I'm not....all he's trying to do is promote his utoobe channel, a click bait

No he's not! He's a good, honest guy. Not everyone has the ability or resources to do a lot of different testing. He does. Give him a break.

 

[Bottom Fodder]

We may needs some more popcorn to watch how this plays out

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

I'm not....all he's trying to do is promote his utoobe channel, a click bait

Damn idk how to even respond to this. I do this purely for fun, I love everything precision and reloading related. It is my one true passion in this life. I love meeting new people and forming new friendships and talking precision stuff!!

I am a young'n on the block, a nobody in the shooting world. I am just trying to have fun and share interesting/good information that can help people, and hopefully better myself along the way, I am fully open to any sort of opinions and criticisms!

If you have any questions I am always down for a phone call, facetime, or if you are around central PA come on over!!!

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

I hope I'm wrong...haven't seen enough of his content but I wasn't impressed after the primer seater debacle

what did I do besides post data? I never claimed anything of the sort to start a "debacle", that was other members claiming that their hand primers were better. Thats for yourself to decide.

have you tried helping people on Snipers Hide yet ?

no thank you, I am trying to have productive conversations from benchrest shooters.

 

[Webster]

i'm going to start a series with my new br dasher build on youtube. i think i'm going to break in the barrel by doing a bunch of random testing with annealing on some new alpha brass.

i was debating doing flame, but it would be something like this:

starting with all virgin brass, 3 cases in each set.

unannealed
amp annealed
flame annealed

after each firing, i will be recording group size, velocity, amp press graph force, shoulder bump, and neck spring back.

repeat this probably 5 times each

let me know if you all would like to see this done. i am open to any other ideas as well.

No matter how you anneal there are many variables. Temp and time at temp.

 

[Larry Koch]

No matter how you anneal there are many variables. Temp and time at temp.

Even with a amp

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

come down Karen...it's all good I do appreciate what you're trying to do....it's all good

Just trying to understand where you are coming from. My video was ugly PCPS vs CPS, thats it. I demonstrated for 1/3rd to 1/4th of the price, you can get identical results.

I never claimed priming one way or another would get you better results on target. I am not experienced or good enough to tell anyone what they should be doing LOL.

 

[Cfshooter]

i'm going to start a series with my new br dasher build on youtube. i think i'm going to break in the barrel by doing a bunch of random testing with annealing on some new alpha brass.

i was debating doing flame, but it would be something like this:

starting with all virgin brass, 3 cases in each set.

unannealed
amp annealed
flame annealed

after each firing, i will be recording group size, velocity, amp press graph force, shoulder bump, and neck spring back.

repeat this probably 5 times each

let me know if you all would like to see this done. i am open to any other ideas as well.

I like it! Maybe use 20 cases, 5 per and then you have 5 for foulers each session.

I also record some of my tests and put them on YouTube, makes them easy to share with friends. Test and upload away, saves others from doing so.

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

I like it! Maybe use 20 cases, 5 per and then you have 5 for foulers each session.

I also record some of my tests and put them on YouTube, makes them easy to share with friends. Test and upload away, saves others from doing so.

good idea, I will do that. I am honestly just mostly interested in the amp graph data points, anything else will be a bonus!

I plan on buying a box of alpha dasher brass just dedicated for testing and burning up. If you have any other cool test ideas you want to see let me know!

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

where am I'm I coming from.......c'mon man you dressed yourself funny and you're trying to make me watch your nonsense...yeah good luck buddy

whatever, best of luck to you too sir.

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

No matter how you anneal there are many variables. Temp and time at temp.

Even with a amp

thats the beauty of the amp, any sort of variables with flame temp or flame time is significantly reduced, or entirely eliminated.

 

[Cfshooter]

good idea, I will do that. I am honestly just mostly interested in the amp graph data points, anything else will be a bonus!

I plan on buying a box of alpha dasher brass just dedicated for testing and burning up. If you have any other cool test ideas you want to see let me know!

Trimmed vs not trimmed. It’s nice to mess around with a small lot of brass, that way they are all treated exactly the same except for the test at that time. Same amount of firings, all sized at same time, primed, etc.

 

[Bottom Fodder]

All this time I thought we annealed to show a little love to our old tired brass I didn’t know it would 8’s into x’s

 

[bozo699]

All this time I thought we annealed to show a little love to our old tired brass I didn’t know it would 8’s into x’s

It absolutely equates to accuracy, consistent seating pressure, consistent bullet release = smaller groups down range all other things equal.
Wayne