I was looking at the TL3 also, after my buddy got his TL3 I am glad I went with the MF, there are things on the TL3 which are nice, but the way the MF handles and the ability to drop a round in the ejection port and close the bolt without jacking with the round is nice. My buddies TL3 the extractor wont go over the round like the MF will. But the bolt face cost on the TL3 is a bunch cheaper than the MF, which is making me wonder if I want to spin up a 284 Shehane or 7SAUM barrel.....I love the MF I can treat it like crap, gets full of sand on a west Texas varmint hunt, it does not care. Still sending rounds down range with no fuss or stupidity.
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I was looking at the TL3 also, after my buddy got his TL3 I am glad I went with the MF, there are things on the TL3 which are nice, but the way the MF handles and the ability to drop a round in the ejection port and close the bolt without jacking with the round is nice. My buddies TL3 the extractor wont go over the round like the MF will. But the bolt face cost on the TL3 is a bunch cheaper than the MF, which is making me wonder if I want to spin up a 284 Shehane or 7SAUM barrel.....I love the MF I can treat it like crap, gets full of sand on a west Texas varmint hunt, it does not care. Still sending rounds down range with no fuss or stupidity.
I have both of the actions you mentioned, you can top load a bighorn just as easy, I'd say there is no relief cut on the barrel face. Top loading a MF with the claw could end up being a costly adventure.
Could you clarify what you mean exactly?
Not 100% sure what you're looking for, top loading meaning throwing a case in and not utilizing the pickup of the CRF. Relief cut meaning the extractor of a CRF needs to open up to engulf the head of the case if forced into the chamber while not being held, if it doesn't have ample room, it gets tougher. You don't chamber a rd on a 1911 and slam the slide forward when locked back, ruin your extractor, make sense? A Rem 700 has extractor inside the bolt face recess, a whole diff beast the CRF is.
Edit: You could spring that claw on an older MF top loading, just not wise.
I mean I understand the that (the basic premise) but I thought that top loading was no problem with the mausingfield... As evidenced by the creator's video at 1:50
While I dont have a mausingfield but I have never had an issue with the CRF rugers. The slide over and chamber just fine.
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Interesting vid, I like my MF, the bighorn not so much, it's gone after barrel is toast, paid for an Impact 2 nights ago.
I'm not one to bad mouth a company really, but he speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Last yr on SH he was in quite war of words over nitriding an action could ruin it, today, a newer less expensive on will sport the treatment.
looks like there might be a price war starting...
https://bighornarms.com/product/origin-action-deposit/
At least we will win no matter what...
https://bighornarms.com/product/origin-action-deposit/
At least we will win no matter what...
I just called him up: he said that he is always learning and has become more comfortable with it in certain instances and that the nucleus isnt getting the big lapua mag .585 bolt faces in it so the risk(his fear) of catastrophic failure isnt as high.
And to be fair, my general impression after the nitriding a mausingfield discourse last year was that you could do it, he just hadnt tested it and so he wouldnt be warrantying it if something were to happen. The mausingfield is already hardened, heating it up again to nitride could potentially undo what he had already done.
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What do you dislike about the Bighorn?
that my very well be true, but I think I will let some of you do the beta testing for me. I will check back in a year and see...
Rich
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I just can't get past the butt ugly bolt handle and knob. Wouldn't ever consider one.
I can see this in my future. MPA chassis, nut and some pre-fits from Bugholes, good trigger....yeah man.
Well, yeah!
Nitriding an action that's already been hardened can undo what the manufacturer was careful to do right the first time. Why reputable outfits that do aftermarket processing are within their rights to refuse to do certain actions, as they know they're on thin ice otherwise.
A newer action design that's intended for surface hardening (done right!) ought to be every bit as reliable.
Two different paths to reach a similar end result.
dcali
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Wow. Tough crowd. If your first thought is "well I can't use that for benchrest", well... yes. You're right. But take a look outside the box, and you'll see a lot of innovative features combined with some tried and true ideas from the past. Overall, I think it's very impressive engineering, and I can't wait to see how it evolves over time. Looks to be a great hunting action if you ask me - and done at a very affordable price given what goes into these and the volumes being produced. Well done, ARC.
I'd like to see what he comes up with in a push feed action or single shot action, personally, as I don't have a whole lot of use for a mauser extractor.
As for nitriding, there is a world of difference between having it done at the factory (or outsourced) under the watch of the engineers who designed the action, and just sending it off on your own because you read that it's cool on the internet. Apples and oranges. Any decent engineer is going to be concerned about the latter.
I'd like to see what he comes up with in a push feed action or single shot action, personally, as I don't have a whole lot of use for a mauser extractor.
As for nitriding, there is a world of difference between having it done at the factory (or outsourced) under the watch of the engineers who designed the action, and just sending it off on your own because you read that it's cool on the internet. Apples and oranges. Any decent engineer is going to be concerned about the latter.
I already ordered a Nucleus. Now I'm tempted to order an Origin. There goes my tax return.
I've wanted a Mausingfield action ever since Teddy came out with it,but could never justify the price. I built my last rifle on a Shilen DGR action (Stiller),and while not the best action,it does what I need it to do. Besides,Shilen is only about 45 minutes from my house.
I just put a deposit down on a LH Nucleus action,now I'll have time to decide on what I want to build.
I just put a deposit down on a LH Nucleus action,now I'll have time to decide on what I want to build.
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While its not my style, I commend ARC for designing actions with features that are not available in others. And some original features as well. A breathe of fresh air really. We do not need any more budget Remington clone actions on the market imo.
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