Alliant Powder Availability Alert
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This is worrisome news. Without good supplies of powder, our sport is challenged.
Murray Brook
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I honestly believe the left is too stupid to even realize this is happening.
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Simple capitalism. When it’s cheaper to have something produced overseas, this is what happens because it’s no longer profitable to produce it here. Then, as the price for those goods increases, and making them here becomes profitable again, that will cause American companies to re-evaluate things.
The only thing that changes this paradigm is when the government gives subsidies, artificially altering the profitability of making a product. Personally, I really don’t think a single program or subsidy the government created has been successful. They certainly won’t subsidize lead or Nitrocellulose production, at least not for the benefit of civilians.
Either way, we all pay more in the end. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Dave.
The only thing that changes this paradigm is when the government gives subsidies, artificially altering the profitability of making a product. Personally, I really don’t think a single program or subsidy the government created has been successful. They certainly won’t subsidize lead or Nitrocellulose production, at least not for the benefit of civilians.
Either way, we all pay more in the end. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Dave.
urbanrifleman
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Surely it couldn't the 18 zillion rounds of ammo Federal has been making for "someone" since the Obama administration... not us, that is for sure!!! But someone...
okie
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And our Freedom.
CharlieNC maybe you mean this - we have been foisted by our own petard. We had, back when, - a huge, thriving firearms industry in the US operating under private sector principles of profit motive and capital investment.
But stakeholders were free to sell, and they sure did. Generally they ran the price down first. Who thinks Lapua could be snatched away from Nammo by a group of investors? Cannot happen, Nammo isn’t a private company that can be bought. It could purchase Berger, and it did, but it, itself, is not for sale.
Ironically, the US government’s huge outlays for weapons to Ukraine gives the makers of these weapons enough cash to turn around and buy more US assets. There is no reason to think our other makers have not been approached.
There is a basic inequity here, other state’s governmental defense/joint enterprises will buy our companies, but the US gov does not compete with production, - that’s why there is no “USGAS” to rival Valero on even a single corner of an intersection where Circle K has two, but instead it will simply pledge tax and fiat money, and issues the requisitions which the fulfilling companies are then free to use the profits from, to buy more of our companies.
I’m not picking on Lapua, our greatest friend in the sport, but the system in place is that Nammo has the ability to sit in Scandinavia, sign an order for weapons made in Arizona, let Americans make them and pay for them, and reinvest the profits. This outcome of foreign ownership is less a plan than the byproduct of gushing, overwrought sympathy toward the plight of Ukrainians and one Volodymyr Zelensky, the most successful little begetter of aide I have ever seen.
How many guys here would gush THIS much sympathy and treasure and risk all out war, if Texas said Bye to the 49? Not just leaving, but flipping sides. No, the answer would be stand down Texas, don’t you have a conscience about where this leads? So, VZ, and Biden.
But stakeholders were free to sell, and they sure did. Generally they ran the price down first. Who thinks Lapua could be snatched away from Nammo by a group of investors? Cannot happen, Nammo isn’t a private company that can be bought. It could purchase Berger, and it did, but it, itself, is not for sale.
Ironically, the US government’s huge outlays for weapons to Ukraine gives the makers of these weapons enough cash to turn around and buy more US assets. There is no reason to think our other makers have not been approached.
There is a basic inequity here, other state’s governmental defense/joint enterprises will buy our companies, but the US gov does not compete with production, - that’s why there is no “USGAS” to rival Valero on even a single corner of an intersection where Circle K has two, but instead it will simply pledge tax and fiat money, and issues the requisitions which the fulfilling companies are then free to use the profits from, to buy more of our companies.
I’m not picking on Lapua, our greatest friend in the sport, but the system in place is that Nammo has the ability to sit in Scandinavia, sign an order for weapons made in Arizona, let Americans make them and pay for them, and reinvest the profits. This outcome of foreign ownership is less a plan than the byproduct of gushing, overwrought sympathy toward the plight of Ukrainians and one Volodymyr Zelensky, the most successful little begetter of aide I have ever seen.
How many guys here would gush THIS much sympathy and treasure and risk all out war, if Texas said Bye to the 49? Not just leaving, but flipping sides. No, the answer would be stand down Texas, don’t you have a conscience about where this leads? So, VZ, and Biden.
jxb
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Yawn... wake me from my nap when the drama ceases.
I mean seriously, powder shortage announcement, prices go up, everyone buys a lot for more, same with primers and ammo, then starting Feb there's lots of ammo, cheaper prices, plenty of powder for the higher prices, and if you're on the ball getting primers isn't a problem, also mostly higher prices.
Stock up when it's available and cheap and don't take the bait when they are fishing because they love catching suckers. It doesn't matter whether it's shooting related, fuel, or anything else we purchase this is simply greed at work and it has zero to do with politics. Want to blame someone, blame the super rich because that's the root cause. They have figured out how to manipulate most everything and make mountains of cash regardless of the economy anywhere.
I mean seriously, powder shortage announcement, prices go up, everyone buys a lot for more, same with primers and ammo, then starting Feb there's lots of ammo, cheaper prices, plenty of powder for the higher prices, and if you're on the ball getting primers isn't a problem, also mostly higher prices.
Stock up when it's available and cheap and don't take the bait when they are fishing because they love catching suckers. It doesn't matter whether it's shooting related, fuel, or anything else we purchase this is simply greed at work and it has zero to do with politics. Want to blame someone, blame the super rich because that's the root cause. They have figured out how to manipulate most everything and make mountains of cash regardless of the economy anywhere.
SBS
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And not much fun to shoot by yourself, even if the range is still there.
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