Advice on buying a 6 Dasher BBL

[johara1]

Jim, what's the bore on your bruxs? Mine was .2355.

Tom

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Tom, i can't believe they would let it out the door at .2355. I have a bunch but i would say an average is .2365 some were .2368 but just a couple. I sent one back for some tight spots and he relapped it ……. jim

I just did 2 brux's this weekend. They took .2356" bushings. The kreigers have been taking .2368".
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Alex, i haven't had a new Brux in years but what you and Tom are saying is scaring me, i will call them………. jim

 

[savagedasher]

Some thing never change. Reminds of the 60tys It was Chevy Dodge and Ford.
Excuse and reasons hasn't changed.
First change in barrel making came about last year. It is Sunnen Honeing.
Finish size, surface and straightness .All can be done with repeat ability.
The last barrel I had chamber was a Bartlein . The straightness was so good it was hard to time.
Bore variation it was just choked the last 4''
The twist rate was dead on. The gun has the lowest ES of any barrel I have used.
Python action Jewell trigger Tracker stock. NF scope. bedded .
The best shooting gun I have is a Savage factory target action with red blade. Not bedded on pillars only. NF 8x32 Kreiger 7.5 30'' straight with a barrel nut.
My Son set the 300yd gun club record both score and group shooting it. Larry
I have the gun cub first and second small at 600.
My Grand daughter won the 20 shot match at 1000yd paper. Her first time shooting at 1000yds
My Grand Son at 12 repeated what she did at 1000 yd

 

[BOB LEE SWAGGER]

I hold all of the 300 and 600 yard records at Manatee in FL. I use an 8 twist @.237.

 

[tclaunch]

Jim, what's the bore on your bruxs? Mine was .2355.

Tom

Have only had 2 come through that tight, and both had been cryo treated. Both Brux. I may try a .237" and have it treated????? See what happens.

 

[johara1]

Tim, I did send mine for cryogenic also. Don't know about it enough, but cant imagine it changes the dimensions.

Tom

Tom, Kreigers are frozen, or they use to be…….. jim

 

[Changeling]

Hi Tim, I'm a little confused here. zfastmalibu said he just finished 2 barrels, the Brux barrel took a .2356 bushing and the Kreiger a .2368 bushing.
Considering .008 for the groves this would make the Brux a .2436 barrel and the Kreiger a 2448 barrel. The Brux would be a " practically Perfect" barrel, and the Kreiger being .001.2 larger then the Brux! I don't think I'm missing anything

Now the "If's", If the cryogenic didn't cause the change in dimensions.
If zfastmalibu was mistaken about the bushing size for the Kreiger (I really doubt this).

It would appear that the Kreiger is not what one would call a competition class barrel in this particular situation. I have been under the impression that Kreiger cryo treated all their barrels, could be wrong here.
So, I'm confused why you would be ordering one (.237), those things ain't cheap.



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Have only had 2 come through that tight, and both had been cryo treated. Both Brux. I may try a .237" and have it treated????? See what happens.
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[tclaunch]

Tim, I did send mine for cryogenic also. Don't know about it enough, but cant imagine it changes the dimensions.

Tom

Well, looks like that makes 3 barrels taking a smaller bushing after cryo, I have my mind made up.

 

[tclaunch]

Hi Tim, I'm a little confused here. zfastmalibu said he just finished 2 barrels, the Brux barrel took a .2356 bushing and the Kreiger a .2368 bushing.
Considering .008 for the groves this would make the Brux a .2436 barrel and the Kreiger a 2448 barrel. The Brux would be a " practically Perfect" barrel, and the Kreiger being .001.2 larger then the Brux! I don't think I'm missing anything

Now the "If's", If the cryogenic didn't cause the change in dimensions.
If zfastmalibu was mistaken about the bushing size for the Kreiger (I really doubt this).

It would appear that the Kreiger is not what one would call a competition class barrel in this particular situation. I have been under the impression that Kreiger cryo treated all their barrels, could be wrong here.
So, I'm confused why you would be ordering one (.237), those things ain't cheap.



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Have only had 2 come through that tight, and both had been cryo treated. Both Brux. I may try a .237" and have it treated????? See what happens.

The land height is different in the 236" vs .237" not the grooves. The .237" has shorter lands than the .236"

 

[tclaunch]

Tim, I did send mine for cryogenic also. Don't know about it enough, but cant imagine it changes the dimensions.

Tom

Tom, Kreigers are frozen, or they use to be…….. jim

The Kriegers are frozen, pryor to machine work.

 

[tclaunch]

The 2nd was at the buyers expense, after machine work complete, and they were made to stop by the licensee, it is no longer offered. If the dimension tightens slightly, I`m thinking a .237" may be my very first cryo purchase.

I no longer buy .237" bore barrels.

 

[JRS]

A direct quote from Krieger Barrels in response to my email:

"We do cryo treat the steel prior to any machine work as we always have. We have never felt that a second cryo treatment after our rifling processes was any advantage".

 

[rickiesrevenge]

The 2nd was at the buyers expense, after machine work complete, and they were made to stop by the licensee, it is no longer offered. If the dimension tightens slightly, I`m thinking a .237" may be my very first cryo purchase.

I no longer buy .237" bore barrels.

Tim,
Why no more .237" bore?

Aaron

 

[ridgeway]

Just finished a Brux and used a .2356" bushing. I have a new one on the shelf...it will to use a .2356" bushing. The other two I have, the both used a .2356" bushing. Just did a Krieger 4 groove .237 bore for a PPC a couple weeks ago...it used a .2368" bushing.

 

[tclaunch]

Aaron, just preference. I have chambered a few .236" Kriegers out of a batch Savageguy had that were exceptional in the hands of my more skilled customers.

The quarter shot at 800 yds was one of those.

 

[tclaunch]

If you want a Bartlein that will impress, order a .236" 4 groove. You may want to go through Brian, as Frank did not want to make this barrel for me at all. I got many e-mails explaining why I didn`t want one, mainly because thats not what he uses. But I`m hard headed. Brian and I were speaking and I asked what was up with Frank not wanting to make this barrel, he went back over the e-mails, and reminded Frank some bullet maker had ordered one and was tickled.

I told savageguy of this incident and he ordered several .236" Bartlein 4 groove and the records waterdog is speaking of was from one of those barrels, told me by Chris. They outshoot the .237" 5R, from my example of 1, and do not copper foul as bad.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[stansrifles]

Cyro treatment may possibly do something as far as machineing ability to a barrel but it does not stress relieve a rifle barrel if stress is induced due to the rifling process such as button rifling.
Stan

 

[tclaunch]

The .236" Brian made for me is a hammer. I recently shot it and had a 1.3 and 1.6 at 600 with Rl 15. You'll find .236" like RL15 and 237" Varget. Just more of my humble opinion

 

[tclaunch]

If you want a Bartlein that will impress, order a .236" 4 groove. You may want to go through Brian, as Frank did not want to make this barrel for me at all. I got many e-mails explaining why I didn`t want one, mainly because thats not what he uses. But I`m hard headed. Brian and I were speaking and I asked what was up with Frank not wanting to make this barrel, he went back over the e-mails, and reminded Frank some bullet maker had ordered one and was tickled.

I told savageguy of this incident and he ordered several .236" Bartlein 4 groove and the records waterdog is speaking of was from one of those barrels, told me by Chris. They outshoot the .237" 5R, from my example of 1, and do not copper foul as bad.

Just my humble opinion.

That may be the key to getting the Bartliens to work with the Dasher. I have not tried that exact setup.

You are at the waters edge, up to you to drink!!!!!

 

[johara1]

If you want a Bartlein that will impress, order a .236" 4 groove. You may want to go through Brian, as Frank did not want to make this barrel for me at all. I got many e-mails explaining why I didn`t want one, mainly because thats not what he uses. But I`m hard headed. Brian and I were speaking and I asked what was up with Frank not wanting to make this barrel, he went back over the e-mails, and reminded Frank some bullet maker had ordered one and was tickled.

I told savageguy of this incident and he ordered several .236" Bartlein 4 groove and the records waterdog is speaking of was from one of those barrels, told me by Chris. They outshoot the .237" 5R, from my example of 1, and do not copper foul as bad.

Just my humble opinion.

That may be the key to getting the Bartliens to work with the Dasher. I have not tried that exact setup.

You are at the waters edge, up to you to drink!!!!!

I dont know, these Kriegers have been unreal lately. World record barrels, every one of them. Its gonna take a lot for me to switch, ;D
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Alex, i don't know but i had one Brux set four and with a gun that came completely un glued. I have had two kreigers then one had to be sent back and replaced because of tool marks and the replacement was lapped short, using the complete heavy end it would not finish 27" the other one won one relay and is now a fire form barrel. You can get good and bad in anyone……. jim

 

[dkhunt14]

Re: Advice on buying a 6 Dasher

I have seen good barrels in most brands. I have had good Broughtons and Krieger's. I have also seen bad ones. Krieger does seem to get a lot of good ones. They seem to be consistent. Matt