Majday
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White River Energetics Large Rifle Primers Box of 1000
Maximum of 5 boxes (5,000 primers) per customer, per day.
www.powdervalley.com
Adding a powder plant to the primer plant in Arkansas...
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REGARDLESS of where this powder ends up it’s a win/win. Even if 100% of White River’s powder is sold overseas that still means more in the pipeline. We complain that components are being sold for military contracts leaving little for the consumer market but when a new manufacturer announces they’re stepping up and we’re all doom and gloom? Like it or not it’s a global market and the highest bidder wins.
Maybe just maybe with more competition it’ll free up the more established suppliers to sell to little ol’ us.
The total powder supply will increase. Yay!
Maybe just maybe with more competition it’ll free up the more established suppliers to sell to little ol’ us.
The total powder supply will increase. Yay!
Coyotefurharvester
Silver $$ Contributor
100 jobs is good news, since Harris/Biden lied about job growth (by a million).
Larry Koch
Silver $$ Contributor
If White River makes (H4198 equivalent perfect copy) They could pay off the loan in a year.
Selling powder a pound at a time will take a long long time to pay off their loan. My guess they are after a bigger market than us hand loaders.
Larry Koch
Silver $$ Contributor
Who said anything about buying pounds????
I'm not sure that can be right. While they are for sale over here - the entire Oz and Kiwi market combined would be smaller than a mid-sized US state. I saw some of their Large Rifle last week for AU$240/1000 ($US160) but even at that price our market would not sustain their production. Perhaps they have military contracts?
Someone might pay $109 for federal match or CCI br primers, But who is going to spend that much on a product that is a complete unknown. I don't see millions of overpriced primers of unknown quality helping anybody. Like was said if they all go over seas it may put some more in the market, but how many in Oz and New Zealand are they interested in buying expensive unknowns. This may help eventually but, but it may change nothing. I am not optimistic. You can bet on one thing though they are donating to both parties because they will eventually have an EPA or ATF bureaucrat to deal with.
I can tell you that a lot of serious shooters -will- buy them here in NZ, firstly because there are often no other options, and secondly, they're not really an unknown. The feedback from other FO guys has been good on their performance. The only quirk is they tend to be a wee bit taller than other main brands.
I can't recall when I last saw Fed 210Ms or BR2s for sale.
I can't recall when I last saw Fed 210Ms or BR2s for sale.
Pretty sure they have been dealing with bureaucrats since before they even broke ground for a primer factory.
Pretty sure they hunted for (and found) a large customer/revenue stream to support themselves from day 1 and pay down debt.
Pretty sure we'll eventually hear about quality issues/attributes/inconsistencies and any shortcomings will be fixed. I assume they have brand new state-of-the-art equipment.
I wish them all the best. They are entering a high-risk industry but a market with very strong demand.
If it is indeed a foreign owner building a manufacturing facility in the USA, that's a good sign for this country.
gdbleb, I am sure you are right about the bureaucrats, but production has been ongoing at the primer plant so exposure from that operation should be tapering off. The new powder plant I am usure at what point they are in with construction and planning so they could be just starting with the red tape. D&Ms website says they are a US based company with cooperate offices in Tampa FL. Foreign companies in the US , I don't know what to think about that, maybe we are just like the rest of the world now. You can do anything as long as you pay off the right official. I looked at the price of White River primers and they were $109 at powder valley but it looks like all the primers are about that price now. I bought powder and primers at Bass Pro about 5 or 6 weeks ago and CCI small pistol were $59 per 1000, now it looks like everything is $99 and up. I wish i was as optimistic about some of these things as you are.
The canceling of the wholesaler contracts was back the first of this year. WR told all wholesalers they had to return all inventory to WR. The ones that have been for sale since that time were ones that were not returned. When dealers that have them now go out of stock they will be not getting anymore.
This info came from a wholesaler that did not return their primers as WR broke their contract with them. Several wholesalers had large inventory but were being told they were to not sell them until a certain date. Before that date came they were told to return them. Several did not.
This info came from a wholesaler that did not return their primers as WR broke their contract with them. Several wholesalers had large inventory but were being told they were to not sell them until a certain date. Before that date came they were told to return them. Several did not.
New industry in Arkansas?! Maybe there is hope after all.
My $.02 , any time we can manufacture a thing like this in the USA that may be needed to defend our country and not have to rely on a foreign country we are better for it.
FNSafari
Gold $$ Contributor
Larry
I agree. But, out of necessity, a lot of 30BR shooters have switched to N130 and LT30, mostly LT it looks to me but my looking at shoot reports is a real small sampling. I wonder, if ADI/Hodgdon ever gets H4198 back into the market, how many shooters will abandon their current powder and go back to H4198. I wish IMR would just make their 4198 a bit slower and cut the GD cordwood sized grains down so we can get the density up.
Because in the past you'd just sink a zillion dollars into a facility that wouldn't be up and running until the cyclical price of energetics had crashed, and with zero guarantee of government contract dollars to keep you running, in a field dominated by major defense industries.
Sounds like a good way to go bankrupt, not make a ton of money.
Look around and see the world globe as it sits now. Not many
countries are not warehousing munitions, let alone actually
busting caps. Look at it this way......Weapons today fire at a much
higher rate. New systems come online almost monthly now. I was
looking over a 30mm system the French are working on. The rate
of fire would be equivalent to using "180 lbs" of powder in just seconds.
It's rate of fire is classified but claimed higher then the A-10's gun.
Always wondered how much powder a 20mm CIWS Phalanx goes
thru in just 2 seconds.......Yeah, it's all sobering in this day and age
about powder and primer energetics production, and it's shortages.
We are real low on the food chain at the moment, and doubt it will
slow down in the rest of my life time......!!
countries are not warehousing munitions, let alone actually
busting caps. Look at it this way......Weapons today fire at a much
higher rate. New systems come online almost monthly now. I was
looking over a 30mm system the French are working on. The rate
of fire would be equivalent to using "180 lbs" of powder in just seconds.
It's rate of fire is classified but claimed higher then the A-10's gun.
Always wondered how much powder a 20mm CIWS Phalanx goes
thru in just 2 seconds.......Yeah, it's all sobering in this day and age
about powder and primer energetics production, and it's shortages.
We are real low on the food chain at the moment, and doubt it will
slow down in the rest of my life time......!!
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