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I have a 6.5-284 built on a Kelbly Atlas Tactial action. It is one hell of a shooter. And the current pricing on the Atlas Tactical is great. Get yourself a long action Atlas Tactical and you will be all set.I want to build a new long range rifle, looking at 6.5x284 or a 284, what is your recommendation on an action? If you make a recommendation please tell me why you choose that one, it might be more fun to say "other than what you own!", I know there will be several different answers but I'll also do my homework too. Thanks and "fire" away. TIA
Thanks for your honesty!! Refreshing ;-)I have a 6.5-284 built on a Kelbly Atlas Tactial action. It is one hell of a shooter. And the current pricing on the Atlas Tactical is great. Get yourself a long action Atlas Tactical and you will be all set.
Kelbly actions are well made, the finish on the Atlas tactical makes it a perfect action for me to build a hard use field rifle that shoots as well as any of my BR rifles.
At least until I get that #3 Contour barrel hot...
It is also true that I am a Kelbly fanboy, owning 6 different Kelbly actions...
So there may be other options out there![]()
Bart -
Yes, there are plenty that are several times bigger. They were not shot off bags. They take too many gigabytes of memory and bandwidth to send and show via electronically modern versions of Samuel Morse's original binary code. Only shot a couple dozen such groups and those in my discipline did more and we all knew what was the norm so tested as well as using machine rests. We typically don't keep tiny test groups as we know they're the norm in good equipment. If I posted the biggest group I shot at 1000, you would need a 4 foot square screen to see it life size.If it was a "stool shooter" you would say: "everyone gets a small one every once in a while, lets see the others".
Especially when you know you have shot plenty that are plus 6X times bigger (like you say to others).
Yes, there are plenty that are several times bigger. They were not shot off bags. They take too many gigabytes of memory and bandwidth to send and show via electronically modern versions of Samuel Morse's original binary code. Only shot a couple dozen such groups and those in my discipline did more and we all knew what was the norm so tested as well as using machine rests. We typically don't keep tiny test groups as we know they're the norm in good equipment. If I posted the biggest group I shot at 1000, you would need a 4 foot square screen to see it life size.
The stool shooters usually berate position shooters because they are ignorant of what their stuff does in tests. They are smart and knowledgeable otherwise but often cannot comprehend how others can test as well as theirs shoot in matches.
They'll shoot low scores in position matches with their stuff. Sometimes it's not legal. Put aperture sights and a sling on a bench rifle, set trigger pull to 3.5 pounds then see how accurate you shoot it from prone.
I was still waiting on Gale to take my bet Winchester 70 receivers were stiffer than Remington 700 receivers. That was a sure thing for me to win; no luck or skill involved.Wait a minute. I have one of your post about Win 30-338mag and bragging on it and got into little deal with McMillan as to with was best. 300wm or your 30-338mag and you didn't take the bet. He would seat on bench.
Thanks Roger for the input, I have fired and still own a Hall action so I really do know what a true custom action feels like but what I was/am trying to tap into is a world of knowledge that you find on these forums minus the petty bickering and or saying that I've never fired a custom action/gun. It has been years and I'm the first to admit that thus the reason for the question. Thanks againif you have to ask you have never fired or used a good custom,
Sounds like you got a variety of opinions. That is and always will be a controversial topic. Seems either you love or hate factory actions. Seems that the competitive shooters are the latter and hunters and recreational shooters are the former. I suppose I get it.Thanks Roger for the input, I have fired and still own a Hall action so I really do know what a true custom action feels like but what I was/am trying to tap into is a world of knowledge that you find on these forums minus the petty bickering and or saying that I've never fired a custom action/gun. It has been years and I'm the first to admit that thus the reason for the question. Thanks again
At this time I’m a rec shooter but it doesn’t stop me from shooting competition laterSounds like you got a variety of opinions. That is and always will be a controversial topic. Seems either you love or hate factory actions. Seems that the competitive shooters are the latter and hunters and recreational shooters are the former. I suppose I get it.
I've shot several 1000 yard matches with my son when he was 12-16 years old. He was quite a shooter for his age. He won several 500 yard local matches at 12 shooting against much older and more experienced shooters. We built his first 260 when he was 11. He did very well with it and used it at several of the 1000 yard matches out shooting many competitors. None of those guns we used carried custom actions other than trued factory models. If I continued to shoot 600/1000, I'd have been using custom long ago. As I said, I do have a couple and use them for hunting rigs. They are very nice set ups that I wouldn't trade for anything. We did just fine using our trued factory models when we did compete but more than likely would have needed the added edge if we got into it more. It just never kept me that interested. Ground hogs, Coyotes and steel are about all I shoot now when I'm not in the fall hunting season. Pretty happy doing that.At this time I’m a rec shooter but it doesn’t stop me from shooting competition later
Yes I would agree with that no doubt. I'll never sell my few custom set ups I have. For that matter don't see selling any of the semi customs either. They all have a place in my 12 month season. There's a level of gratification building your own rifles and using them that just won't let me part with any of them.The biggest thing with customs is the ability to pick port options. Like left right or dual port. Then if you take the price of a Remington and add the money to true it, you are close to the price of a custom and it's still a Remington. When time to resell, you will not recover most the trueing cost. These are the two biggest differences between a Remington and a custom. Matt
I'm the exact opposite, I just dumped a Mausingfield, took a pounding on it. I have a Bighorn TL3 with a barrel about gone, that action is gone too. And right now, I have a Defiance 6 creed on my cleaning table, I probably wont sell it but my Godson needs a hunting rig this fall.Yes I would agree with that no doubt. I'll never sell my few custom set ups I have. For that matter don't see selling any of the semi customs either. They all have a place in my 12 month season. There's a level of gratification building your own rifles and using them that just won't let me part with any of them.
I'm more like 284winner!! Rarely do I ever sell anything (scopes yes) but other than that I have a 64 gun safe full and thinking of buying another safe LOLI'm the exact opposite, I just dumped a Mausingfield, took a pounding on it. I have a Bighorn TL3 with a barrel about gone, that action is gone too. And right now, I have a Defiance 6 creed on my cleaning table, I probably wont sell it but my Godson needs a hunting rig this fall.
Lol, I don't blame you guys, I just do not get that attached to guns. I've sold some high dollar pistols over the yrs. Plus, I'm not saddling my wife with the hassle of my guns if something happens.I'm more like 284winner!! Rarely do I ever sell anything (scopes yes) but other than that I have a 64 gun safe full and thinking of buying another safe LOL
Ever since I started playing this rifle building game, I get attached to the ones I put together. I'm no gunsmith but after the work is done, assembling them is the easy part. ARs and bolt guns are easy. Seems I've moved my factory guns out other than sentimental guns and replaced them with my own choice of calibers. Most are bolt guns. I do still have some older semi auto deer guns and enjoy the fast follow up shots with them. The guns will go to the kids and grand kids. That's the value I place on them.I'm the exact opposite, I just dumped a Mausingfield, took a pounding on it. I have a Bighorn TL3 with a barrel about gone, that action is gone too. And right now, I have a Defiance 6 creed on my cleaning table, I probably wont sell it but my Godson needs a hunting rig this fall.
We never had children.Ever since I started playing this rifle building game, I get attached to the ones I put together. I'm no gunsmith but after the work is done, assembling them is the easy part. ARs and bolt guns are easy. Seems I've moved my factory guns out other than sentimental guns and replaced them with my own choice of calibers. Most are bolt guns. I do still have some older semi auto deer guns and enjoy the fast follow up shots with them. The guns will go to the kids and grand kids. That's the value I place on them.