Action what one?

[retired]

sorry but like you said..it is not the place to look for accurate rifles.
high power targets are 1 moa x, 2 moa 10 ring,the 600yd br x is 0.2 moa..5 times smaller
a good long range rifle will do 1/4 moa or it is not in the race.

I still see a few M70's on High Power Sling rifles. They shoot as well as anything in that discipline but the ultimate in accuracy isn't necessary there. If the rifle holds half MOA it's gtg.

 

[Richard Coody]

I want to build a new long range rifle, looking at 6.5x284 or a 284, what is your recommendation on an action? If you make a recommendation please tell me why you choose that one, it might be more fun to say "other than what you own!", I know there will be several different answers but I'll also do my homework too. Thanks and "fire" away. TIA

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/11/05/custom-rifle-actions/

http://www.accurateshooter.com/competition/1000-yard-benchrest-guide/

 

[retired]

noo the facts are posted all over the place if you look.
600 yard br, 1000 br, the pro tactical rifle guys.
not an opinion, facts based on results in competition.
just go read the results.
if your opinion is true why are they not used to win ?

Matter of opinion not fact. Again, depending on it's use would determine fact or fiction in that statement. Maybe an all out competition rifle but a hunting/ tactical all around rifle, the 700 action will keep up with any action out there.

 

[284winner]

noo the facts are posted all over the place if you look.
600 yard br, 1000 br, the pro tactical rifle guys.
not an opinion, facts based on results in competition.
just go read the results.
if your opinion is true why are they not used to win ?

Competition is a very small portion of shooting sports. The OP didn't mention competition. I'm responding to his suggestion not a new thread inside his. The Remington action is a great action for most shooting. Just as are savages and Winchester's. Just some offer more accessory options.

 

[Shooter13]

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/11/05/custom-rifle-actions/

http://www.accurateshooter.com/competition/1000-yard-benchrest-guide/

Thanks, those are good reads!!

 

[284winner]

lets see some facts to support your opinion.
you said "The Remington action is a great action for most shooting"
lets see some data to support your opinion

The facts are in my gun safe. I built 4 different rifles on short and long actions. They all shoot as well as my Pierce action and Surgeon action. Of course they all out shoot me so it's really hard to say which shoots best. IMO, they are all very comparable. Obviously I understand the two customs are definitely trued and as straight as they can be. This factory, trued factory or custom action debate has been beat up over and over and doubt it will ever be agreed upon as to which is the most accurate. I do not believe a custom action is any more accurate than a good trued and worked factory action. I believe it's more of a feel good thing for most. Value as well is increased with custom. I'm not a competitive shooter so I know positively my factory trued actions will perform every bit as well and are as accurate as my customs. I cannot tell you which is best for you. I believe for the OP, a trued factory action will do anything he needs it to.

 

[LHSmith]

lets see some facts to support your opinion.
you said "The Remington action is a great action for most shooting"
lets see some data to support your opinion

Are you a reincarnation from a previously banned member? Your contrarian manner seems awfully familiar.

 

[swd]

Yea we seem to have a new expert...

 

[284winner]

I want to build a new long range rifle, looking at 6.5x284 or a 284, what is your recommendation on an action? If you make a recommendation please tell me why you choose that one, it might be more fun to say "other than what you own!", I know there will be several different answers but I'll also do my homework too. Thanks and "fire" away. TIA

Other than shooting this new build for long range work, will you be shooting it competitively ? If not, my opinion is to start with a factory action (such as Rem, Win, Sav) and either have it trued or left as is. Barrel it, bed it and run it as is. Also install a good trigger. Another thing Remington actions offer a good variety of. I'm fairly certain it will shoot very well if done properly by a good gunsmith. You won't be out the cost of a custom action for starters. Barrel and bedding will give you the best chance at accuracy. I'm not knocking custom, only stating the obvious. They aren't needed by everyone.

 

[DirtySteve]

If most have a Remington foot print shouldn't they have about the same stiffness. I believe the only difference would come down to what type metal is used for the manufacturing.

 

[LHSmith]

Shooting will be mostly bench, stock to be determined!

Sure seems to me it's not a dedicated rifle for benchrest competition where you are under the clock and speed is important getting record rounds off with-in a desired condition (meaning excellent tracking with little bag upset). This is where a custom action will prove it's worth. For shooting against oneself or non-registered fun matches a trued Remington with a BR stock and Jewell trigger will provide all the accuracy needed----provided the optics hold POA.
This will be my final comment on this thread.

 

[284winner]

it does not take an expert to FEEL the difference between a
factory 700 and a stiller tac 30 or tac 300, but it maybe beyond some of you.
you stick with your choices.
( 4 guns do not make "most" at all. 4 guns in one stack shot by one poor shooter proves nothing. the fact that your custom rifles only shoot as well as factory guns says something about your lack of shooting or reloading skill)

Obviously I'm not quite the educational rockstar you are when it comes to guns and particularly shooting them. Pretty sure I never said I had ANY factory guns that shot as well as my (semi) custom guns. The 4 Remington action guns are semi customs as they do wear factory trued and worked actions with great barrels bedded to each stock. They DO out shoot me of course because as I said I'm no Tony Boyer as you most definitely must be in the same class as. My suggestions are for helping a fellow forum member. You have no clue on helping, only insulting so at this point how about just moving on to another thread. It's alot easier than letting this subject get you even more upset. You have your opinions and the rest of us have ours. I'm out. Good luck Shooter13. Hope anything I suggested helps.

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

To answer the OP's Question: Either a BAT model HR (with a magazine opening if a magazine is desired) or a Borden Timberline.
Both are top quality and are precision actions straight from the manufacturer.
If no magazine is desired a BAT Model "M" or a Borden BRXLD for the same reason as stated above.

 

[Bart B.]

extremely rare to see a Win. in registered LR BR comp. for a host of reasons, one of the biggest being lack of a decent trigger,

Anschutz and Jewell triggers have be used on Win 70 receivers.

If the rifle holds half MOA it's gtg

Win 70 based rifles have tested that at 1000 yards.

All one needs is an action that chambers rounds and fires bullets repeatably from shot to shot.

 

[effendude]

All of the actions work well, when put together with a good barrel by a competent gunsmith. It really comes down to what you are looking to accomplish with it. Are you competing, hunting or just enjoying placing bullets on target?

I currently have a pre-64 Winchester that was trued by Speedy that is going to be built into a 6.5-284 hunting rifle. It goes to the smith on Monday. I have no doubt it will be a .25 -.5 MOA rifle when done, but with a #2 barrel, it won't be competitive. That's not it's job. For a truly reliable, accurate hunting rifle, a Winchester action (either CRF or push) with the 3 lever trigger can't be beat. You can field strip it, wash it out, reassemble and you are back hunting. I like that in a 21 day, back country hunting rifle. I have swam in creeks, fallen down mountains with and without an accompanying horse, and a multitude of mishaps that have made other rifles into walking sticks.

I own everything from stock Remington and Winchester to Barnard, Bat, Borden, Stiller, Surgeon and Kelbly. The Defiance is great too, just don't have one at the moment. For a Remington style, I love my Borden actions. Jim does an amazing job and the bolt is so smooth.... Build what you want and enjoy.

Scott

 

[Bart B.]

a good long range rifle will do 1/4 moa or it is not in the race.

The NBRSA many group agg records at 1000 yards are about 4/10 to 5/10 MOA. IBS 1000 yard many group agg records are in the 5/10 MOA range. Some groups are naturally smaller and others obviously larger. To me, the record setters are about 6/10 to 7/10 MOA at best. All the others averaged and maxed out bigger.

They must not do 1/4 MOA very often.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Early morning testing when conditions are calm will allow you to see what 1000 yard rifle can do. Guys are shooting 1-2 regular in testing now. Aggs are shot all day long throughout the year in conditions. Actions play a huge role in accuracy. Far more than most people give them credit. They are up there with barrels in my opinion.

 

[expiper]

OP,,,,if you want a reliable rifle go with a custom action,,,,the smoothness is unbelievable compared to a Rem ,,,if you have to ask you have never fired or used a good custom,,,I like the Kelbly actions because of the bbl interchangeability ,cone breaching wich gives flawless ctg feeding,, and the choice of load and eject port configuration making cycling of the acton effortless,,,,,,,Roger

 

[oldroper]

... and that just pegged you as a source of some ignorance.

A limited amount of the best knowledge is better than a lot of average stuff.

I know stuff that you don't. You don't seem willing to learn something.

Bart, you shot small group and send target to Krieger and you used a single shot action! Why didn't you use Win if it's so great.

here is your post

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.guns/iL7zv-cktJc

this is what you used

used a .308 Win. with Sierra's 155-gr. Palma bullet with 45.3gr. of
IMR4895 and RWS Primers in full-length sized WCC60 match cases. Had a 20X
scope on the English Paramount action and shot prone with a bag under my
front hand to steady the rifle. It was about 6AM in dead-calm wind
conditions.

BB

 

[284winner]

Reliability ??? I wouldn't use that as my reason for buying a custom action. I say that because I don't believe the downfall of a factory action is its lack of reliability. Accuracy and flawless functionality and ultra smooth but very straight and true. Tolerances are spot on as well as workmanship is top notch. Those would be my reasons. IF I shot competition, I'd only use a custom action on my rifles. It's just that for my use, factory gunsmith tuned actions serve my needs more often than not. I'm not really concerned about resale or it's dollar value. It's the value it has to me when in the field. I do love to feel and fit of the ones I do own but justifying customs on all my rifles is something I cannot do. My barrel weights are reasonable and not crazy heavy where the semi custom guns (factory type actions) do very well and don't require heavier duty or stiffer setups. I will however be using a TAC 338 or LA Mag Surgeon on my 338 lapua build due to that extra heavy/stiffness requirement.