Action strength

[BoydAllen]

Somehow you have come to the erroneous conclusion that Remington bolts are not well attached. I have owned a number over the years, as have man of my friends, and none have ever come off. Their rigidity is not an issue. Read less on the internet, handle more actions.

 

[Surgikill]

Somehow you have come to the erroneous conclusion that Remington bolts are not well attached. I have owned a number over the years, as have man of my friends, and none have ever come off. Their rigidity is not an issue. Read less on the internet, handle more actions.

I am just saying that I have seen alot of threads about missing bolt handles on remington actions, as well as other action that have brazed on bolt handles. Yes, accidents do happen, and I can see how there will without a doubt be one or two in every batch that have problems. However, that problem is non-existent with solid bolt handles.

 

[BoydAllen]

Reread the last sentence of my last post. I run into this from time to time, people who mistake the internet for reality. Seriously, I think it is a generational thing.

 

[Erik Cortina]

You seriously need to do a ton more research. Less typing and more reading. It seems as though you know very little about the different actions out there.

I agree. Who said the Panda was strictly a glue in action? And who said the Salvage had a descent trigger?

The panda's I have seen have all been glue in. I came here to learn, and I am learning. Sorry an 18 year old kid can't afford to put together a 6k rifle with absolutely every best component out there.

And we have all been trying to teach you, but you argue with everyone that tries.

Your first step should be to admit that you don't know.

The problem I am having is that alot of the stuff doesn't make sense with what some people are saying. I am not arguing, I am questioning.

For example: You say, get a krieger barrel, a remington action, and a jewel trigger. Now, I don't argue that the indicated setup will not shoot well, but what makes it a better setup than having the same components with a savage action. I know the savage will cost more, but it also allows a person to change a barrel with another prefit barrel and it has the option of a left port, along with a floating bolt face and a more rigid bolt handle. I am not arguing with the fact that the setup that you indicated will shoot well, I am just curious as to why you say it is better than every other action out there. Just because everybody uses it does not make it a "good" action in my eyes. It may have a ton of aftermarket capability, but does that make it "good"?

Savage has a more rigid bolt handle: This means nothing for accuracy. A huge ugly bolt handle does not make a gun shoot better, or worse for that matter.

Left port option: Again, does nothing for accuracy.

Floating bolt head: Means nothing against a properly setup Remington.

Ability to get pre-fit barrels: You can so the same for a Remington. However, It will limit your barrel size.

Now, with a Remington you can get a Jewell trigger, which is one of the best triggers money can buy, you can buy a trigger for the Savage, but it will never be as good as a Jewel, so there's your limitation.

Barrel size. You can get 1.250" barrels for both Remington and Savage, but not setup with a barrel nut.

If you have a Remington action and later want to upgrade to a custom actions, you can use the same stock and trigger, not true with a Savage.

They both can be very accurate, but your options are greater and better with a Remington.

 

[dkhunt14]

Triggers are very important in accuracy. They can help control fire control which is ignition. Some designs are just better than others. Savages can be very accurate but are not as good as some others. They make a great hunting good and a half decent target rifle for the money. But they are not in the same league as a Bat or some other customs. A trued REM. can come close but not in the same league as the customs. If you pin the lug on the REM. you can switch barrels with it. The Krieger barrels are usually really straight so that means they usually shoot good. Ask any gunsmith that puts any amount of barrels in a lathe. Odds are with a Krieger you can get a good one. Most of these guys are telling you what they do because they went through these things. Experience is usually a good teacher. If want to build a good gun then you need to listen to these guys. There telling you to build once and build it right. Like BAT says buy the best and cry once.

 

[Raythemanroe]

I'm not a Savage fan or a Remington die hard, I like what the aftermarket has available for the Remingtons...I believe your wondering about the integrity of the action or you wouldn't have made this post! I feel in my opinion your money ahead to sell the CZ with the mauser extractor and built in recoil lug and use the funds for a action needing less attention. A CZ has no more going for it then a model 70 or a m77!

 

[Surgikill]

You seriously need to do a ton more research. Less typing and more reading. It seems as though you know very little about the different actions out there.

I agree. Who said the Panda was strictly a glue in action? And who said the Salvage had a descent trigger?

The panda's I have seen have all been glue in. I came here to learn, and I am learning. Sorry an 18 year old kid can't afford to put together a 6k rifle with absolutely every best component out there.

And we have all been trying to teach you, but you argue with everyone that tries.

Your first step should be to admit that you don't know.

The problem I am having is that alot of the stuff doesn't make sense with what some people are saying. I am not arguing, I am questioning.

For example: You say, get a krieger barrel, a remington action, and a jewel trigger. Now, I don't argue that the indicated setup will not shoot well, but what makes it a better setup than having the same components with a savage action. I know the savage will cost more, but it also allows a person to change a barrel with another prefit barrel and it has the option of a left port, along with a floating bolt face and a more rigid bolt handle. I am not arguing with the fact that the setup that you indicated will shoot well, I am just curious as to why you say it is better than every other action out there. Just because everybody uses it does not make it a "good" action in my eyes. It may have a ton of aftermarket capability, but does that make it "good"?

Savage has a more rigid bolt handle: This means nothing for accuracy. A huge ugly bolt handle does not make a gun shoot better, or worse for that matter.

Left port option: Again, does nothing for accuracy.

Floating bolt head: Means nothing against a properly setup Remington.

Ability to get pre-fit barrels: You can so the same for a Remington. However, It will limit your barrel size.

Now, with a Remington you can get a Jewell trigger, which is one of the best triggers money can buy, you can buy a trigger for the Savage, but it will never be as good as a Jewel, so there's your limitation.

Barrel size. You can get 1.250" barrels for both Remington and Savage, but not setup with a barrel nut.

If you have a Remington action and later want to upgrade to a custom actions, you can use the same stock and trigger, not true with a Savage.

They both can be very accurate, but your options are greater and better with a Remington.

Now, that was actually helpful. Correct me if I am wrong, but a left port is more desirable for benchrest because of the way you operate the rifle and the way the stations are setup. Also, you say that I can use the same stock and trigger with a custom action, however, correct me if I am wrong, I don't believe I could use a square action, such as a panda, viper, or RPA engineering quadlock, with a remington stock. (Note: when I do make a decision to buy a custom action it will be between a panda and an RPA Quadlock)

 

[Raythemanroe]

RPA does have a round now if I'm right.

 

[dkhunt14]

Some 1000 yard shooters keep their left hand on the forend and load and shoot with their right hand. There are many ways to shoot off of a bench and you have to find your own style. When you hold the front working the bolt doesn't upset the gun. In the heavy gun I like the dual ports so I can go. But 60 to 80 lb. guns with rails track a lot better then light guns do and you can go. Most light gun shooters can get their 10 shots down range in 45 seconds to a little over a minute. In the heavy gun they get them down in 13 seconds to 3/4 of a minute.

 

[GSPV]

Short range benchresters typically do not grip the fore arm. When we're in a hurry, we can get 5 away in 15-20 seconds...with a 10.5 lb gun. I've done it in a 13.5 lb gun in 9 seconds, but that was a very unusual situation.

 

[GSPV]

Ryan, in honesty, I think the odds of you ending up with an RPA are similar to those of me ending up with a Blieker for factory UBR.

 

[johara1]

If you don't want to put a lot of money in it, Kelbly Atlas or a Pierce single shot right bolt right port and add a jewel trigger. This way better than any Remington or Savage and it doesn't need trued and don't have a coned bolt face. You will have less in it than fooling around with a factory if you have to buy it. The accuracy of the gun is the barrel and don't limit it to just one brand, I just tested a Douglas and the first 3 Groups are under .090 each with shells left over from a match with an other gun. What i'm trying to get across to you if the gun is right it will let you shoot to your potential, but if you start with a bad foundation it will fall apart. The best part of the remington clones is the available stocks and parts,they are everywhere. The next best thing is to pick up a used rifle, If i was you i wouldn't get involved with a glue in, and an other one would be tube gun they flat shoot also....... jim

 

[dkhunt14]

Short range benchresters typically do not grip the fore arm. When we're in a hurry, we can get 5 away in 15-20 seconds...with a 10.5 lb gun. I've done it in a 13.5 lb gun in 9 seconds, but that was a very unusual situation.

In the 17 lb. class a lot of guys use a 300WSM and they really recoil. Tends to upset things. It seems even a Dasher with a brake and the heavier bullets have some recoil. The fastest people shoot 10 shots in 20 second range. On heavy gun I seen it done in 11 seconds. I've never shot a PPC so I can't compare but I think the 28 to 30 inch barrels have some to do with tracking. I know when I rechambered my Dasher, the 2 inches shorter (from 30 to 28) seemed to help with the tracking. Different styles of stocks and hold of gun changes things also. Jim is right the Pierce actions I have seen are really nice.

 

[Erik Cortina]

I don't know why the OP is talking about a left port for bench use. He has said over and over that he will never compete, so he does not need a left port at all. He read it somewhere and is confused.

To this day I don't know what the intended purpose for his rifle is. I think we could help him more if we knew.

 

[Eddie Harren]

I think we all know, all we need to know, about the OP!

 

[johara1]

I would not want a left port if i was right handed. you are the first one to know when you blew a case. For safety sake i want the port on the off side. I saw it happen and you don't need that option,safety is more important. I have gotten by with out it and i too all right...jim

 

[effendude]

It is a good thing I set my clocks back this morning. In my mind, I didn't waste the hour I spent reading these 4 pages.

Scott

 

[Surgikill]

I don't know why the OP is talking about a left port for bench use. He has said over and over that he will never compete, so he does not need a left port at all. He read it somewhere and is confused.

To this day I don't know what the intended purpose for his rifle is. I think we could help him more if we knew.

I have never used one, but it seems easier to me that I can keep my ammo on my left, and as I cycle the bolt with my right hand, I can grab the spent shell with my left and feed a new shell in with my left hand. It's not only in competition that a left port is useful.

Basically, intended purpose, is a gun that I can have fun with. I want to be able to shoot pdogs and yotes with it, but I also want to be able to sit down at a bench with it.

 

[Erik Cortina]

You first tell me you have never used a left port, and then you act like an expert and try to tell me that it is not only useful in competition.

A hunting gun with RBLP is not ideal, too much body movement required. I can bet dollars against spent primers that your bench technique is not good enough to be able to shoot like you described.

 

[Surgikill]

You first tell me you have never used a left port, and then you act like an expert and try to tell me that it is not only useful in competition.

A hunting gun with RBLP is not ideal, too much body movement required. I can bet dollars against spent primers that your bench technique is not good enough to be able to shoot like you described.

I agree with the first statement, but I have seen it used outside of bench competitions, and it seems to work well.

And could you help explain how the left port requires more body movement? To me, with a right port, I have to pull the bolt back with my left hand so I can catch the brass before it hits the dirt, and then I have to pick up a piece of brass with my right hand and load it, and then I have to transfer my left hand back over and return my right hand to the bolt to close it.