Accurate 2460 vs TAC vs 4895
- Thread starter bsekf
- Start date
SSchnd
Silver $$ Contributor
We are trying VV N135 as a alternative to H4895. Early results are excellent with a 223 F T/R rig. N140 too in 223.
I have just acquired TAC, so far early results are good, very dirty.
IMR 4895 is a larger extruded powder than H4895.
Rumor Mill churning H4895 may have hit the N American continent by a container. TBD if truth and who knows what it will cost.
Do not discount the Shooters World Powders, Precision Rifle Powder is to be = to Varget but the price is also.
Long Rifle, AR Plus and Match are a few more, I have not tested the Match Rifle yet.
I have just acquired TAC, so far early results are good, very dirty.
IMR 4895 is a larger extruded powder than H4895.
Rumor Mill churning H4895 may have hit the N American continent by a container. TBD if truth and who knows what it will cost.
Do not discount the Shooters World Powders, Precision Rifle Powder is to be = to Varget but the price is also.
Long Rifle, AR Plus and Match are a few more, I have not tested the Match Rifle yet.
Not sure what caliber the OP is loading for, but I bought some Accurate 4064 and it’s pretty short cut and should meter well.
Have not used 4895 but have been using both TAC and A2460 in a Savage model 12 223Rem with a 1:9 twist. Along with 69gr bullets for an informal Bench type league that runs from Jan to March.
In my rifle the A2460 seems to run a bit more consistent and not as temp sensitive as the TAC.. Though I have been able to find very accurate loads with both.
In my rifle the A2460 seems to run a bit more consistent and not as temp sensitive as the TAC.. Though I have been able to find very accurate loads with both.
I've had pretty good luck with 2460 but even better when I blended it with 2230. If you've never blended powders, don't let me be why you do it for the first time but it can be done with some powders and with caution.
I've used a lot of H4895 and TAC in the .223, both in a bolt-action and several Colt ARs. I've never been able to get quite the accuracy with TAC that I get with H4895. But TAC goes through a measure much better. I prefer accuracy. Also, H4895 is not very sensitive to temperature extremes.
Loudenboomer
Silver $$ Contributor
AA2460 has been my go to powder if loading .308 on the Dillon. Flows consistent charges. Decent temp
temperature stability for ball powder. Worth a try, been a good performer for me. YMMV
temperature stability for ball powder. Worth a try, been a good performer for me. YMMV
I have some 2460, 2495, I have been using in my 308win bolt and gas guns, so far, I have had good results, I'm using these 2 powders to replace H4895, VARGET, and IMR4064, my 25'' Brux 1in10, 308win, using 41gns of 2495 under a 175gn SMK runs 2560 to 2590fps, I get almost identical numbers with 39.5gns of the 2460, I pushed the 2460 @41gns with the 175gners and the velocities were at 2700fps, that's faster than I want to run them, but no pressure signs, 2460 and 2495 are to slow from my rifles in 6.5Grendel, AR Comp is my go to for this caliber, 2495 and 2460 I'm still tweaking the charge weights, but at 200m groups are 1.5'' where IMR4064 will shoot .5'' groups from my barrel, but 41gns of 4064 runs just a tic over 2500fps, from my Brux barrel, YMMV
I used a lot of H4895 with cast bullets in rifles. It works well with reduced loads. I bought a pound of 2495 for that application, but haven't taken the time to try it yet. It is supposed to be the closest substitute. So far I haven't found anyone saying it is a bad idea, but have my eyes open for any information about that.
hpshooter
Gold $$ Contributor
Used N135 in lieu of IMR or H4895 in 30-06 and .308 service rifles when I was activelvy shooting XTC high power in the 80-early 90's. Burns clean. meters well and, at the time, was available and gave consistent performance lot to lot,
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
In my hands, H4895 and IMR4895 are not even close to one another in several important aspects, including optimized velocity/charge weight, kernel size/shape, thermal sensitivity, and obtainable precision. I certainly would not consider them "interchangeable", other than the fact that their burn rates fall into the same general range. But so does Varget for that matter, and I wouldn't necessarily consider Varget "interchangeable" with H4895 either. It may be possible based on information provided by other reloaders via this thread to exclude some possible choices, but eventually, actual testing of powders in the specific rifle setup is the only way to know with certainty how a given powder will work.
Some commonly-used powder choices (single base) in the general burn rate range of Varget might include N150, Varget, N140, Re15, IMR4064, N135, AA2495, IMR4895, H4895, and IMR8208XBR. All have been used successfully by reloaders in various applications. It would obviously be tedious and expensive to try and test all of these powders, but perhaps providing additional details with regard to the intended use will elicit more informative responses. Chances are very good that at least one powder (or more) will work well for your specific purpose and can be purchased at a much more reasonable price than $60/lb.
Some commonly-used powder choices (single base) in the general burn rate range of Varget might include N150, Varget, N140, Re15, IMR4064, N135, AA2495, IMR4895, H4895, and IMR8208XBR. All have been used successfully by reloaders in various applications. It would obviously be tedious and expensive to try and test all of these powders, but perhaps providing additional details with regard to the intended use will elicit more informative responses. Chances are very good that at least one powder (or more) will work well for your specific purpose and can be purchased at a much more reasonable price than $60/lb.
jelenko
Gold $$ Contributor
Scott - How does the kernel size of 135 compare to 8208?
Are you finding 135 to be as accurate as H4895/8208?
TTE
Gold $$ Contributor
IMO ... give us the recipe of mix or don't mention it that it can be done.
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
IMO - this statement seems to be the epitomy of "entitlement". No one here is obligated to give away any of their secrets, let alone all of them, simply because they mentioned something. In fact, there are often good reasons not to discuss certain things in public if there might be a safety element involved, such as in the blending of powders. Readers are free to determine for themselves how to do things, rather than expect to be spoon fed all the time.
SSchnd
Silver $$ Contributor
Hi Frank so far in a few tests the N135 looks and performs a lot like H4895, I would say 8208 is a touch smaller kernel than 135/4895
I clicked over after the first 9 shots
This is 100 MR31 using Hornady 88 eldm in a bolt rig
I think N135/N140 are solid and known performers.
Since my H4895 is getting down and my 8208 are gone I had to seek another powder. Don't tell anyone though.
Attachments
TTE
Gold $$ Contributor
I'm not doing it (ever !), so no work involved.
In almost all posts where people pose reloading questions "Be Safe" is posted by someone. In the post in question, not so much.
Upgrades & Donations
This Forum's expenses are primarily paid by member contributions. You can upgrade your Forum membership in seconds. Gold and Silver members get unlimited FREE classifieds for one year. Gold members can upload custom avatars.
Click Upgrade Membership Button ABOVE to get Gold or Silver Status.
You can also donate any amount, large or small, with the button below. Include your Forum Name in the PayPal Notes field.
To DONATE by CHECK, or make a recurring donation, CLICK HERE to learn how.
Click Upgrade Membership Button ABOVE to get Gold or Silver Status.
You can also donate any amount, large or small, with the button below. Include your Forum Name in the PayPal Notes field.
To DONATE by CHECK, or make a recurring donation, CLICK HERE to learn how.