The match director or/and RSO counts all bolts after "show me your bolts" command given and all shooters remain seated at the benches with bolts high in the air.How do you 1000% ensure there are no bolts in the rifles?
The match director or/and RSO counts all bolts after "show me your bolts" command given and all shooters remain seated at the benches with bolts high in the air.How do you 1000% ensure there are no bolts in the rifles?
would that make a difference?Bolts in? Or out?
Exactly. If someone is waiving their muzzle around I'm not waiting to find out where their bolt is. Muzzle in a safe direction is first, last, and always, even before the other rules of safe handling for me, since it's one that's much more instantly verifiable from a distance. It's also the one that saves you when you miss the "unloaded" part.would that make a difference?
the whole idea is muzzle safety and handling safety in general
someone points a gun at you are you going to ask bolt's in or is it out?
You don't know if a bolt is out of a rifle whether that makes a difference????????would that make a difference?
the whole idea is muzzle safety and handling safety in general
someone points a gun at you are you going to ask bolt's in or is it out?
At the range I work we do not remove bolts. One because we have many Semi-auto's on the line. Though we do at Cease Fire instruct to Open actions, Unload, Remove magazines, Insert chamber flag. Step back away from benches and wait for inspection. The Range Officer then does a walk through inspection to ensure all firearms are in a safe condition. No one is allowed down range until the inspection has been completed.How do you 1000% ensure there are no bolts in the rifles?
While working at the largest outdoor range in Wisconsin for the past 4+ years I cannot count the number of times I have had a muzzle pointed at me. Or a muzzle pointed down the firing line. Then the number of times I am told, "it's not loaded!". That's when I tell them to walk to the next bench and explain that to the person they just swept. At the same time I express to that tat I would react the same way if the other guy pointed his rifle at you.Exactly. If someone is waiving their muzzle around I'm not waiting to find out where their bolt is. Muzzle in a safe direction is first, last, and always, even before the other rules of safe handling for me, since it's one that's much more instantly verifiable from a distance. It's also the one that saves you when you miss the "unloaded" part.
That's all well and good until some one gets "accidentally" shot. I don't want to be that One. I work at a large outdoor range 2 to 3 days per week so my Odds are much greater than most of that happening.Bolts out is good enough for me to enjoy the sport I love. Let's not destroy the sport by trying -with all the good intentions- to make it perfect.
Nope, disagree that there's no difference between cased vs. carried over the shoulder, no matter the condition. Just "bolts out then YOLO" is far from "good enough" when the cost of failure is death or life altering injury.Guys let's agree that we are chasing our tails here, as there is no solution that will satisfy each and everyone.
There is no difference between a gun in a case (bolt out and/or flagged) being whipped around and a gun being carried on the shoulder (bolt out and/or flagged).
Bolts out is good enough for me to enjoy the sport I love. Let's not destroy the sport by trying -with all the good intentions- to make it perfect.
I disagreeGuys let's agree that we are chasing our tails here, as there is no solution that will satisfy each and everyone.
There is no difference between a gun in a case (bolt out and/or flagged) being whipped around and a gun being carried on the shoulder (bolt out and/or flagged).
Bolts out is good enough for me to enjoy the sport I love. Let's not destroy the sport by trying -with all the good intentions- to make it perfect.
That’s terrible that he thought he could do no wrong in his mind.A few years ago I was at our LR High Power/F state championship. My good shooting buddy who is in very bad health and was sitting in a lawn chair just behind the covered line while I was talking with him. A local club member came walking by carrying his rifle almost level and stopped to talk to one of his friends with the muzzle of his rifle pointed directly at my friends head about six inches away! I loudly said "watch your muzzle!". He looked at me and ignored me. I again said the same thing even louder and he ignored me again still with muzzle pointed directly at my friends head 6" away. The third time I yelled " WATCH YOUR FKN MUZZLE !" He STILL ignored me again but his friends seeing I was getting really pissed off, grabbed him by his arm and moved him away. Each time he looked directly at me a then ignored me with a FU look. He then gave me hard looks for the for the rest of the weekend.. WTF is wrong with people! I should have filed a complaint with the MD but not being at my club you feel pressure leave the good ol boys alone.
Absolutely!!should have filed a complaint with the MD
We should not accept any risk that is controllable when the risk occurrence could result in the lost of someone's life.There is no 1000% sure in anything! Disqualify and have a suspension for flagrant safety rules violations.
Sheesh, ranges have more risk than sitting in front of the TV. You have to accept some reasonable level of risk. You can have so many rules and Ex marines barking that it's no fun. That's why I don't shoot long range where I have to work in the pits. At 67, I don't need to be barked at or listen to some self important asshat barking at everyone else.
Really guys if you want to fine print the rules looking for some technical violation, just become a prison guard and get it over with.
Place bolts in rifles and commence firing!
Kevin
About 2years ago was shooting at local range there was 4 guys shooting 100yds one guy asked to get hes target so we stopped he walk down to target and a guy shot when he was at he's target. Older gentleman took he's gun away and destroyed it.we told him to never return.We should not accept any risk that is controllable when the risk occurrence could result in the lost of someone's life.
Same! It's like getting into an unfamiliar car: take a minute to get comfortable and learn where the controls are before you turn on the engine.When I let someone shoot my rifles I make sure the the chamber is clear before I let them behind the rifle. If the particular trigger is a light one, I make sure they know it.