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A little help with load development in .260 Rem

I shot a couple of Audette series (?)yesterday, clocked with a LabRadar rather than shot at distance, and I am a little surprised at the results. Hoping for a few comments!

The gun is a Tikka Sporter, with a 24" barrel varmint profile barrel chambered in .260 Remington. Shot off a Caldwell Rock BR front rest and a bunny ear rear bag, shimmed up with a donut bag and a home-brew platform to boost the rear rest up to fit in the scoop in the butt stock. Bushnell 4.5-30 Elite Tactical scope set at about 25x, trigger adjusted down to about 2.2 pounds, shot indoors at about 95 yards at about 65 degrees.

The load used 142 grain Sierra MatchKings, H4350, virgin, neck-turned, weight sorted Lapua brass, and Winchester WLR primers. I loaded a series from 41.5 grains to 44.5 grains in 0.3 grain increments, and a second series from 41.4 grains to 44.5 in 0.3 grain increments. Bullets were seated 0.010" off the lands.

I wasn't going to type in the detailed results, but since I started the thread I figured I should do it right! Format is charge weight, followed by velocity in fps, with the difference in velocity from the next charge on the following line.

41.5 2,601

31

41.8 2,632

39

42.1 2,671

-20

42.4 2,651

29

42.7 2,680

51

43.0 2,731

-50

43.3 2,681

54

43.6 2,735

17

43.9 2,752

17

44.2 2,769

81

44.5 2,850

The second series clocked as follows:

41.4 2,616

18

41.7 2,634

22

42.0 2,656

-10

42.3 2,646

54

42.6 2,700

28

42.9 2,728

-42

43.2 2,686

63

43.5 2,749

14

43.8 2,763

50

44.1 2,813

-25

44.4 2,788

Both series shot into one ragged hole for each series (each measuring 0.58" less a couple of clunkers), with very little horizontal dispersion and not much more vertical dispersion (again, shooting was done at only about 95 yards). Three extra rounds loaded with 43.5 grains shot an honest 0.37" group, if I can call a three-shot group from a varmint profile barrel "honest"!

I think I am seeing an accuracy node between about 42.0 grains and 42.4 grains (about 42.2 grains), and a second node at about 42.9 grains to 43.3 grains (about 43.1 grains).

I am suspicious because I seem to be seeing two distinct accuracy nodes only 0.9 grain apart. Is this normal?!?!

I intended to shoot some groups to confirm the results and fine tune the seating depth, but I am not sure whether I should bracket each alleged node separately, or that whole area!

I am leaning toward shooting some groups at 42.0 grains to 42.4 grains, and a few more at 42.9 grains to 43.3 grains.

Any help will be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you all and sorry this went on so long!!! I figured it was better to get as much detail as I could provide up front, in one place!!!
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Good start. I think you should start at 43.4 and go to 44.4 in .2 increments and switch to a match primer (velocities seem off series to series). Keep in mind you won't learn much from the target until you move out to 500yds +/-. Have fun shooting. JD
 
It could be but more likely just the normal variability in the data. You would have to shoot a lot of shots to separate the signal from the noise. Mother Nature is a bitch.
 
Pretty picture. Glad to know 260 can produce one hole groups! You must be shooting a custom rifle. Couple there I would frame and hang!

I don't think the picture that Joe R posted is from a 260. Looks like that charge weights in the pic are between 63 and 65 which is way more than a 260. The 260's case capacity is normally in the 40's.
 
42ish of H4350 is pretty common for the 260, 44gr of H4831 is another good load to start. 4831 was more accurate in my barrel than H4350.
 
IMO, 41.7-41.8 is probably going to be the safest part of the lower node which probably be the most accurate there the closet in velo. I would also retest after you get 2-3 firings on the brass as it will probably change again.
 
I don't agree with using 1 shot fps data for developing loads.

Let the target speak for itself. If the chronographed fps correlates with the target or not is a different story.

I used to develop all my loads along with a chronograph, but it only made the development more hazy.

For cartridges with limited barrel life I shoot 2 or 3 Audette ladders at 330 yards back to back and evaluate them.
Then I decide what areas are worth digging deeper into.
 
Pretty picture. Glad to know 260 can produce one hole groups! You must be shooting a custom rifle. Couple there I would frame and hang!
the 260 Rem is useless cause the 6.5 Screech Moor blows it away in every category even tho they fire the same bullet at the same speed :D
 
I shot a couple of Audette series (?)yesterday, clocked with a LabRadar rather than shot at distance, and I am a little surprised at the results. Hoping for a few comments!

The gun is a Tikka Sporter, with a 24" barrel varmint profile barrel chambered in .260 Remington. Shot off a Caldwell Rock BR front rest and a bunny ear rear bag, shimmed up with a donut bag and a home-brew platform to boost the rear rest up to fit in the scoop in the butt stock. Bushnell 4.5-30 Elite Tactical scope set at about 25x, trigger adjusted down to about 2.2 pounds, shot indoors at about 95 yards at about 65 degrees.

The load used 142 grain Sierra MatchKings, H4350, virgin, neck-turned, weight sorted Lapua brass, and Winchester WLR primers. I loaded a series from 41.5 grains to 44.5 grains in 0.3 grain increments, and a second series from 41.4 grains to 44.5 in 0.3 grain increments. Bullets were seated 0.010" off the lands.

I wasn't going to type in the detailed results, but since I started the thread I figured I should do it right! Format is charge weight, followed by velocity in fps, with the difference in velocity from the next charge on the following line.

41.5 2,601

31

41.8 2,632

39

42.1 2,671

-20

42.4 2,651

29

42.7 2,680

51

43.0 2,731

-50

43.3 2,681

54

43.6 2,735

17

43.9 2,752

17

44.2 2,769

81

44.5 2,850

The second series clocked as follows:

41.4 2,616

18

41.7 2,634

22

42.0 2,656

-10

42.3 2,646

54

42.6 2,700

28

42.9 2,728

-42

43.2 2,686

63

43.5 2,749

14

43.8 2,763

50

44.1 2,813

-25

44.4 2,788

Both series shot into one ragged hole for each series (each measuring 0.58" less a couple of clunkers), with very little horizontal dispersion and not much more vertical dispersion (again, shooting was done at only about 95 yards). Three extra rounds loaded with 43.5 grains shot an honest 0.37" group, if I can call a three-shot group from a varmint profile barrel "honest"!

I think I am seeing an accuracy node between about 42.0 grains and 42.4 grains (about 42.2 grains), and a second node at about 42.9 grains to 43.3 grains (about 43.1 grains).

I am suspicious because I seem to be seeing two distinct accuracy nodes only 0.9 grain apart. Is this normal?!?!

I intended to shoot some groups to confirm the results and fine tune the seating depth, but I am not sure whether I should bracket each alleged node separately, or that whole area!

I am leaning toward shooting some groups at 42.0 grains to 42.4 grains, and a few more at 42.9 grains to 43.3 grains.

Any help will be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you all and sorry this went on so long!!! I figured it was better to get as much detail as I could provide up front, in one place!!!
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These types of posts drive me nuts ! Waste of barrel life and components. This technique of testing is all backwards. The goal should be to find a super accurate load in the least # of shots ! What many shooters do not realize is , powder type creates the accuracy. So one powder might make .300" groups, next powder makes .400" groups, next powder makes.100" groups. So my point is you can ruin a good barrel trying to test the crap out of a powder that is only marginal in your gun/ bullet combination. If you look closely at load data from nozler/ speer/ ect. You will see that they go up in two grains increments. For accuracy load development, all you need to load is 12 per powder type. Example 3@40, 3@41, 3@42, 3@44. If no great accuracy then test next powder, then next. One or two powder's will be absolutely incredible while the other powders will only be marginal or poor. When you find the powder that is great then fine tuning comes into play. Sometimes you get lucky on the first powder (once for me) sometimes it will happen on the 6th or 7th powder. Recently i was trying to get 40 grain berger's to make tiny groups out of my 223/12 twist, the 7th powder was Ramshot Tac - group= .120" and repeated. This surprised me because i had expected v133 or v130 or v120 or lt32 or h322 to be the best, they made .250"-.300" groups. So it only took a small " of shots to find a very great load. This load development technique always works every time and it saves barrel life and components $. Hope i don't sound over critical but I've seen guys ruin good barrels and not get the super accuracy they want.
 
I shot a couple of Audette series (?)yesterday, clocked with a LabRadar rather than shot at distance, and I am a little surprised at the results. Hoping for a few comments!

The gun is a Tikka Sporter, with a 24" barrel varmint profile barrel chambered in .260 Remington. Shot off a Caldwell Rock BR front rest and a bunny ear rear bag, shimmed up with a donut bag and a home-brew platform to boost the rear rest up to fit in the scoop in the butt stock. Bushnell 4.5-30 Elite Tactical scope set at about 25x, trigger adjusted down to about 2.2 pounds, shot indoors at about 95 yards at about 65 degrees.

The load used 142 grain Sierra MatchKings, H4350, virgin, neck-turned, weight sorted Lapua brass, and Winchester WLR primers. I loaded a series from 41.5 grains to 44.5 grains in 0.3 grain increments, and a second series from 41.4 grains to 44.5 in 0.3 grain increments. Bullets were seated 0.010" off the lands.

I wasn't going to type in the detailed results, but since I started the thread I figured I should do it right! Format is charge weight, followed by velocity in fps, with the difference in velocity from the next charge on the following line.

41.5 2,601

31

41.8 2,632

39

42.1 2,671

-20

42.4 2,651

29

42.7 2,680

51

43.0 2,731

-50

43.3 2,681

54

43.6 2,735

17

43.9 2,752

17

44.2 2,769

81

44.5 2,850

The second series clocked as follows:

41.4 2,616

18

41.7 2,634

22

42.0 2,656

-10

42.3 2,646

54

42.6 2,700

28

42.9 2,728

-42

43.2 2,686

63

43.5 2,749

14

43.8 2,763

50

44.1 2,813

-25

44.4 2,788

Both series shot into one ragged hole for each series (each measuring 0.58" less a couple of clunkers), with very little horizontal dispersion and not much more vertical dispersion (again, shooting was done at only about 95 yards). Three extra rounds loaded with 43.5 grains shot an honest 0.37" group, if I can call a three-shot group from a varmint profile barrel "honest"!

I think I am seeing an accuracy node between about 42.0 grains and 42.4 grains (about 42.2 grains), and a second node at about 42.9 grains to 43.3 grains (about 43.1 grains).

I am suspicious because I seem to be seeing two distinct accuracy nodes only 0.9 grain apart. Is this normal?!?!

I intended to shoot some groups to confirm the results and fine tune the seating depth, but I am not sure whether I should bracket each alleged node separately, or that whole area!

I am leaning toward shooting some groups at 42.0 grains to 42.4 grains, and a few more at 42.9 grains to 43.3 grains.

Any help will be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you all and sorry this went on so long!!! I figured it was better to get as much detail as I could provide up front, in one place!!!
_
Like fast14riot replied. Start with 44 grains of H4831sc and work up to 46+. My sweet spot is 46.6 with H4831sc. It gave me the best accuracy but gives up a little velocity to the 4350.
 

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