A few dumb questions

[snert]

Sometimes it feels like the only sport here is the pissing match, not the shooting match.

Might it be too much for you two to step back and realize that no one else at the table is talking because you have become the spectacle? And maybe it would help to just tell ya, the look on our faces is not awe inspired by being in the presence of genius.

I am beginning to think that the OP may never return.

 

[Patch700]

Sometimes it feels like the only sport here is the pissing match, not the shooting match.

Might it be too much for you two to step back and realize that no one else at the table is talking because you have become the spectacle? And maybe it would help to just tell ya, the look on our faces is not awe inspired by being in the presence of genius.

I am beginning to think that the OP may never return.

You are absolutely correct , I have removed my last post and I apologize to the OP if this has steered him in the wrong direction.

But for someone to suggest a neck size bump die to a beginner is giving poor advice and contradicts what thier saying when they state "Bump the shoulder when it gets hard to chamber" lol

In any event I shall continue my day tinkering on the old Ferguson TO35 tractor and enjoying the morning coffee lol.

 

[msinc]

All due respect, this is terrible advice to give a new to the game reloader regardless of the discipline......
Good luck.

I don't really see that it is such terrible advice. In fact, he brought up a point that is very valid in regards to belted rounds. Ronaka explained a most important point...that he needs to be able to measure the case from base to datum line when shooting belted magnums.
There is a good chance the OP can simply resize his cases and not have an issue, but it's not a good idea to count on it. I have seen more shooters chase accuracy problems with belted cartridges because they "headspace on the belt" but the shoulder is back off the chamber for whatever reason. I've seen a lot of guys just give up trying to shoot belted magnums because they don't understand the whole concept or they know it was easier when they were shooting their old 308.
If there is something that has to be learned {and I think this one qualifies!!!}...then it has to be learned. No sense dancing around what will need to be done.

 

[RonAKA]

As far as full length sizing goes it gives as much as or better accuracy as neck or shoulder bump. The BR guys have proved this over and over. Even the 1000 yard guys are full length sizing and bumping the shoulder .001 to .002. The reason is, it is more consistent and gives better accuracy. If you have a case that is slightly tight in the chamber, and you fire it at 1000 yards it goes higher then others that fit the chamber.

The devil is in the detail. There is usually no resemblance between the custom FL dies used by the BR guys and an off the shell Lee, RCBS, or Hornady, FL die.

 

[deepwater]

A very good intro to reloading is the "Lyman Reloading Handbook". Besides reloading how-to, the recipes use many different manufacturers components.

It is the general consensus that Lyman customer service/warranty response lacks behind its mainstream competitors. Just about any press will get you started. RCBS Rockchucker, Forester Coax, and Redding T-7 are classics in their respective class and increase in cost from $75 used to $300

Although the Redding powder balance has a big following, I always moved the weight with my big fingers when handling the pan. Very Dangerous!

Get a reloading tray to hold the brass cases and keep track of things. Develop uniform reloading procedures, quality control and safety checks.

 

[dkhunt14]

The devil is in the detail. There is usually no resemblance between the custom FL dies used by the BR guys and an off the shell Lee, RCBS, or Hornady, FL die.

Alot of the 1000 yard BR guys are just using regular off the shelf Redding full length bushing dies. It seams full length sizing helps accuracy. I have seen many records shot with them factory dies. This is where precision really shows up on paper. Of coarse most of these are SAAMI chambers with tighter necks and longer freebores which don't require a custom die. MATT

 

[snert]

You are absolutely correct , I have removed my last post and I apologize to the OP if this has steered him in the wrong direction.

But for someone to suggest a neck size bump die to a beginner is giving poor advice and contradicts what thier saying when they state "Bump the shoulder when it gets hard to chamber" lol

In any event I shall continue my day tinkering on the old Ferguson TO35 tractor and enjoying the morning coffee lol.

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A true gentlemans response.

And a FINE tractor to boot!

 

[snert]

I don't really see that it is such terrible advice. In fact, he brought up a point that is very valid in regards to belted rounds. Ronaka explained a most important point...that he needs to be able to measure the case from base to datum line when shooting belted magnums.
There is a good chance the OP can simply resize his cases and not have an issue, but it's not a good idea to count on it. I have seen more shooters chase accuracy problems with belted cartridges because they "headspace on the belt" but the shoulder is back off the chamber for whatever reason. I've seen a lot of guys just give up trying to shoot belted magnums because they don't understand the whole concept or they know it was easier when they were shooting their old 308.
If there is something that has to be learned {and I think this one qualifies!!!}...then it has to be learned. No sense dancing around what will need to be done.

I agree. Such topics can be broached with new reloaders and with nuance and simple explanations, PM's and little doses of info, a beginner can be brought up to speed VERY quickly. But we often forget that when we start to talk the jargon, offer advice that is from page 100 of the reloading book out of context to a guy on page 10, it is counter-productive. All it does is display our knowledge, but it reveals that we have forgotten the needs of the guy who asked the question.

That said, the special considerations to be observed when loading belted mags escaped me (confession time) for about 15 YEARS. In that time I was shooting a 7 RM and using it for deer. I had 100 brass. I still have 25 of it. I tried neck sizing at first (again not up to speed on shoulders, belts headspace etc) and settled on Fl sizing in a standard Redding die because the gun showed a clear preference for that. The others 75 rounds made it 4 loadings due to me running hot (a different issue) and then I tossed it. Of course I was not pounding 100 a day at the range...I likely have about 600 thru the barrel now...but I managed to get it to shoot 1/4 inch groups, took several deer at long range with it, including one I head shot at 331 yards because I was that confident in the rifle, and shot a few unfortunate chucks over 700 yards with it.
Now I have been enlightened as to the headspace/belt/shoulder/bump incantations and I suspect my brass will last longer. Now this is just my situation, and it is not meant to apply to everyone, but I can say this...at the pace I am going with that rifle, my next hundred cases will likely last me until I am too old to care to shoot it.

Just keep in mind that many guys who are starting out are not aerospace guys...heck they might not even be math guys. They have questions and when we open the firehose on them with info it often doesn't help them. Maybe it is better to PM the guy and really help after seeing how much he knows?

 

[Scarface26]

Gents,

Thanks to all who shared their knowledge with me. Like usual, when I ask a question I usually get an answer. But for every answer I get, I know have a LOT more things that I don't know. At least now I know what I don't know. Which is a lot.

Off to Amazon to get a book or two and also check the links on the wheeler site.

Merry Christmas. God bless each of you,

And God bless America

 

[dkhunt14]

Sinclair had a real good book on reloading. Can't remember what the title was. LYMAN has a few good ones. The old Speer manual had some good info in. Matt

 

[hogpatrol]

Where the hell is Guffey when you need him?

 

[Comrade Terry]

Where the hell is Guffey when you need him?

You have some popcorn left?

 

[hogpatrol]

You have some popcorn left?

Always!

 

[redrockranger]

Gents,

I posted here a week or so ago introducing myself. I'm about to take the plunge and start loading my own. I've got a brand new 300 win mag - custom - 10 twist - that I'd like to be able to shoot anything from 190's to 215's out of. (some on here have had success with 230's out of a 10 twist). Here's the problem: I've got a lot of factory Federal 190s. Obviously, if the chamber is cut for 215's then there's quite a bit of jump when shooting the factory 190's. What do I need to pull the 190's so they're as close to the lands as they need to be?

Should I read Zediker's book and then ask questions here?

Can I do everything with a Forster press (or a Rock Chucker) or do I also need an arbor press of some sort?

Digital scale for weighing powder?

Any advice appreciated.

God bless America

Rockchucker, Balance beam scale. Had two electronic scales that eventually drove back to my balance beam.I'd look a set of Forster dies.

 

[snert]

Where the hell is Guffey when you need him?

OMG!!! Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

 

[dmoran]

There is more the one way to skin a CAT. .....
Your remind me of a past poster named Catshooter. MATT

Matt -
Been seeing signs of "kitty tracks" as well .....
Donovan