9mm Dies and Bullets

[bigedp51]

Below is a Federal 9mm case that has been sized in the Lee carbide sizer die and part of a four die set with FDC and is now resting in a 9mm case gauge.

Below the same Federal case is now resting in the Lee carbide sizer die that it was sized in. Brass springback is holding the case from dropping into the carbide sizing die.

Below the same case is now resting in the Lee factory crimp die and is much lower and resting on the carbide ring.

The carbide ring in the factory crimp die is larger in diameter than the carbide ring in the full length sizing die. The carbide ring in the factory crimp die is for people who hate trimming pistol cases and who over crimp the case. The "LARGER" carbide ring will size down any bulge created while "OVER CRIMPING" the case.

Research on the Lee factory crimp die and "HOW" is works and reading the instructions goes a long way in getting it to work properly. The people who criticize this die are the people who do not have this die and go around repeating what they hear form people who do not know how to use this die.

The Lee factory crimp die will "NOT" size a case again if it is loaded properly and you read the directions. If your loading "OVERSIZED" cast bullets and the seated bullet and case rubs on the factory crimp die carbide ring then do not use the factory crimp die.

Bottom line, if you "OVER CRIMP" the case and bulge the case mouth the carbide sizing ring will size the case mouth again. "OVER CRIMPING" will damage plated and cast bullets and the complainers about this die do not know how to use it properly.

 

[stool]

eds pictures are exactly what i was pointing out. it is not about saami specs. IT IS ABOUT lead bullets fitting the bore.
the case may not fit in a chamber gauge, but it may still fit in YOUR gun.

ed was banned from the cast boolit forums for a reason.

the spec for 44 mag is 431 or less,,,,lee only produces 430 moulds...useless for me

i shoot 432 dia bullets the lee fcd would kill my accuracy by resizing my bullet smaller than desired for accuracy.
this is not about specs and gauges....it is about accuracy...small lead bullets seldom provide great accuracy.

all you all have a good day

 

[stool]

like i said your target tells it all...

 

[stubbicatt]

Something you should check into...always use store bought rounds for self defense!! There have been many cases where reloads lost out in our courts because some smart-a$$ed layer proved that by you making them it shows intent to use them.

I have heard this said before, but nobody has ever offered to cite to a case where this argument was used...

On the other hand, I have had factory ammo which lacked a flash hole and misfired. I have often wondered what would have happened had that round come up into the chamber in a serious social encounter? We all practice misfire/jam drills, but since that happened to me while shooting at cans etc., the likelihood of a repeat has been a concern.

Even so, in fear of the smart-a$$ed lawyer comment, I have been using factory Winchester ammo as defensive ammo.

 

[stool]

actually only one case with reloads has surfaced as a court case and it was a non-issue..
and we have been asking for data for years....NONE
more internet myth.....

Something you should check into...always use store bought rounds for self defense!! There have been many cases where reloads lost out in our courts because some smart-a$$ed layer proved that by you making them it shows intent to use them.

I have heard this said before, but nobody has ever offered to cite to a case where this argument was used...

On the other hand, I have had factory ammo which lacked a flash hole and misfired. I have often wondered what would have happened had that round come up into the chamber in a serious social encounter? We all practice misfire/jam drills, but since that happened to me while shooting at cans etc., the likelihood of a repeat has been a concern.

Even so, in fear of the smart-a$$ed lawyer comment, I have been using factory Winchester ammo as defensive ammo.

 

[madderg]

About the lawyer thing...all NRA instructors will tell you the same thing as I did, and in today's wacko world of sue happy people and courts with judges that FEEL things instead of reading the law of the land the couple of extra bucks for GOOD factory defense ammo is nothing compared to losing you home...just something to chew on. I don't say it's right, just that it's the way it is.

 

[stool]

bs...just ,more of the same....
not a single case on record...none..and we have asked lawyers to research.
one case it came up and ended up being a none issue.....

simple question...do you have a single case you can post ???

About the lawyer thing...all NRA instructors will tell you the same thing as I did, and in today's wacko world of sue happy people and courts with judges that FEEL things instead of reading the law of the land the couple of extra bucks for GOOD factory defense ammo is nothing compared to losing you home...just something to chew on. I don't say it's right, just that it's the way it is.

 

[madderg]

bs...just ,more of the same....
not a single case on record...none..and we have asked lawyers to research.
one case it came up and ended up being a none issue.....

simple question...do you have a single case you can post ???

About the lawyer thing...all NRA instructors will tell you the same thing as I did, and in today's wacko world of sue happy people and courts with judges that FEEL things instead of reading the law of the land the couple of extra bucks for GOOD factory defense ammo is nothing compared to losing you home...just something to chew on. I don't say it's right, just that it's the way it is.

Why is it that police departments don't reload all their ammo...would save them tons of greatly needed funds. And why do you suppose that their armorers don't slick-up there carry handguns? Sure could make them more accurate and effective, save officers lives and such...LIABILITY!! You can certainly use reloads for self defense, it is a free country. But if the worst happens do you want even one reason for your court case to be less clear and one more item for the prosecutor to muddy the waters. Just a though, not a verse from the scriptures.

 

[stool]

well i have a big surprise for you...
lots of police departments do load their own ammo....for practice! or buy reloads for practice/qualifying;
but police departments are political organizations with LAWYERs at or near the top. they make decisions with little facts in front of them...just their OPINIONS.
when the first ammo crunch hit 6 yrs ago one police department STOPPED practicing/qualifing because they could not get NEW FACTORY ammo. the rest of the agencies either had ammo or used commercial reloads......
i serviced over 70 agencies at one location ......i talked to agency range and training officers every month.

bs...just ,more of the same....
not a single case on record...none..and we have asked lawyers to research.
one case it came up and ended up being a none issue.....

simple question...do you have a single case you can post ???

About the lawyer thing...all NRA instructors will tell you the same thing as I did, and in today's wacko world of sue happy people and courts with judges that FEEL things instead of reading the law of the land the couple of extra bucks for GOOD factory defense ammo is nothing compared to losing you home...just something to chew on. I don't say it's right, just that it's the way it is.

Why is it that police departments don't reload all their ammo...would save them tons of greatly needed funds. And why do you suppose that their armorers don't slick-up there carry handguns? Sure could make them more accurate and effective, save officers lives and such...LIABILITY!! You can certainly use reloads for self defense, it is a free country. But if the worst happens do you want even one reason for your court case to be less clear and one more item for the prosecutor to muddy the waters. Just a though, not a verse from the scriptures.

 

[madderg]

Dear Stool,
Be angry with the lawyers, I completely understand...but try not to be angry with me, I'm just passing on information I know. Sorry if it upsets you, it upsets me too, but unfortunately...that's the way it is.

 

[stool]

my comment is you do not "know" that as a FACT.
you are repeating what you have HEARD....that is not the same as KNOW.
it is why i have asked for you to prove your COMMENT. it is not a FACT.
only pissed that you are REPEATING on an open forum, that which has not been proven to be FACT.

i, on the other hand, have done research, asked lawyers to research.....NO DOCUMENTATION TO BACK UP THE STATEMENT.

Dear Stool,
Be angry with the lawyers, I completely understand...but try not to be angry with me, I'm just passing on information I know. Sorry if it upsets you, it upsets me too, but unfortunately...that's the way it is.