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jackieschmidt

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I have a Bat M bedded into a Shehane stock, all it needs is a barrel.

I am considering a 7/08. I just bought a 33 inch long 1.250 straight 7mm Krieger barrel off of this site, 1-9 twist.

Any thoughts on the 7/08
 
I've owned 3 since the 80's. I still have 2. One is built on a Kimber 84M action with a 9 twist 24" Benchmark 5r. The other is built on a Browning BBR action with a 26" 1/8.5 twist JC Custom barrel varmint profile. For hunting purposes I've always liked the 140 gr class bullet and W 760 has always been a good powder with this weight bullet. Barnes 145 LRX has been good as well as the 145 Speer. My velocity with these bullets has been around 2950 ft/sec. In my BBR I've had good luck with the Barnes 171 Match burners and W 760. Great cartridge to load for and will work with many medium burn rate powders. Not much recoil, good barrel life.
 
Great cartridge, accuracy is outstanding. For F class it gives up lot in the wind at LR to the 284.
 
I had a Stevens 200 that i reamed out to AI.
Great hunting cartridge!

My plan now is a designated range rifle.
Savage action.
Choate Varmint stock
30" barrel, more than likely from Douglas.
Sightron 2-20X50 STAC scope (i already have).

I've read several threads of guys trying to get 2,800 fps with the 180gr Berger, without a lot of success.

My plan is the 160gr Sierra Tipped MatchKing.

Shooting for me is mostly informal range time, with an F-Open or 3, some other local matches, a long range steel match.
I'll most likely end up putting about 1,000 rounds downrange per year with it, if my history proves anything.
 
For target duty I'd go with the AI version.

Only 7mm08 I have is a hunting rifle and for hunting within 400 meters I don't see much difference between the 7-08 and the 308win.

For target duty the 7-08 has lots of potential. Only downfall is going up against bigger 7mm's.
 
I shoot a 'straight' long-freebore 7-08 in short to mid-range F-Class successfully, although even at 600 yards I'll take my 284 or 300 SAUM on 'rougher' days. My original intention had been 7-08 AI and I still believe this is a wise move. (The rifle was rebarrelled to 7mm during the great tools and components shortage period and it was near impossible to get hold of an AI reamer and/or dies at the time.)

I shoot the 160gn Sierra TMK at around 2,850 fps in necked-down Lapua 308 Win 'Palma' small-primer brass with a compressed load of Viht N160. With annealing every three to four firings, I'm pretty sure the cases will outlive the barrel. Barrel life should be good if the well known 'barrel-burning' powders are avoided. I'm at nearly 1,900 rounds and the barrel still performs very well. When Covid restrictions are lifted and I can get back onto a range, I'll try the higher-BC but much more VLD-formish 162gn Hornady ELD-M. It'll do well though to group tighter than the TMK which is also a very jump tolerant design in this weight/calibre combination. (Not all TMKs are!) I've shot the TMK out to 1.000 yards and it'll still group at half-MOA there subject to wind changes, but the 284 is a far more effective model at this distance.

I did try 175 and 180gn bullets in larger capacity Winchester cases and although acceptable MVs were just about achieved I simply didn't see any benefits, especially with a 284 available to make better use of these bullets. I'm a fan of the old superseded 175gn Sierra MK which like the 160gn TMK is a very jump tolerant, flexible design that shoots better than its paper ballistics might suggest in a very wide range of air temperature and wind conditions out to 1,000 yards. If I were relying on one rifle for all distances / conditions, either the AI version or 284 would be my first choices with this bullet.

Before I went down the 7-08 road I did a great deal of modeling (quickLOAD for internal ballistics and Bryan Litz's tested G7 BCs for the external side). Whichever way you play it, 7-08 gives little or no benefit - or even a disbenefit - over an optimised 6.5mm of around the same case size. 6.5mm bullets in the 130-147gn weight range have seen so much development in recent years, they take a lot of beating in straightforward external ballistics performance and a long freebore 260 or 6.5 Creedmoor, even the 6.5X47mm Lapua all match 'straight' 7-08 MVs. Recently introduced powder grades such as Re16 and Re23 have enhanced performance in this size of 6.5s and sevens too, although I wouldn't speculate right now as to which cartridge gains most, or even if 7-08 gains or loses against say 260 right now. The plus from the 7-08 is that barrel life will be better than in equivalent 6.5s.

I also have a short-distance / sheltered range load - 150gn Lapua Scenar-L in prepped Winchester brass over a modest charge of Czech Lovex SO-65 (Shooters World 'Long Rifle' in the US), an excellent plain-Jane extruded single-base propellant that fills the VarGet/ 4064 to 4350/Re16 burn speed gap, probably closer to the slower end. The 150 Scenar-L is an easily tuned tangent ogive model and is really well made / consistent out of the box albeit with relatively high drag by 7mm match bullet standards. I've obtained near BR quality groups from from this load at 200/300 yards and it is up to good 6mmBR standards and competitiveness in quiet days in 200-500 yards F-Class matches. (The 7-08 is a much more versatile cartridge though for F-Class than the 6mm BR these days over a wider range of distances.) MV is 2,830 fps and barrel wear is probably very light with this load.

In summary, look hard at 7-08 AI. The 'straight' 7-08 can be made into an excellent little performer, but the AI gives that extra bit of vital capacity and speed with the case-filling slow burning powders, also allowing sensible use of 175/180gn bullets where desired. The other bit of advice I'd add is to see what competition you face if you intend to shoot in local matches. At my (English) club, F-Open has changed dramatically in recent years. Smallish sixes and 6.5s were the norm in short-mid range matches, but no more nowadays. 284 Win is in danger of being pushed aside by SAUMs and WSMs and some very hot-loaded / heavy bullet 6.5 Creedmoors running very high pressures in small-primer brass are becoming popular too for 300-800 yard F fixtures. As this is on a notoriously 'difficult' range for temperature and wind conditions, sheer horsepower and ballistics often give a difficult to beat 'edge' and the 7-08 is definitely on the 'light side'.
 
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Another +1 for the 284 over the 7/08. Way back in the 1970s a friend built one when it was still a wildcat for Highpower. It was a really good shooter especially with the Sierra 168. But occasionally a shot would pop out of the group. Frustrating. He eventually abandoned the cartridge. The 284 is a much better performer and has great brass available.
 
With the availablity of Starline & Peterson brass for the 7mm-08, brass quality is pretty much a non issue now.

Shot a match today (groundhog) with my wifes 223 Rem. Wind was squirrely, and at 300 yards could no longer see the bullet holes, even with a spotter.
I didn't shoot at 400 yards. Was no point.
Was really wishing for a 7mm today! I think i would have done well.
 
I have a Bat M bedded into a Shehane stock, all it needs is a barrel.

I am considering a 7/08. I just bought a 33 inch long 1.250 straight 7mm Krieger barrel off of this site, 1-9 twist.

Any thoughts on the 7/08
Jackie, I think it comes down to what you want to do with it. The 7mm-08 is a great little cartridge but is a little under powered compared to what some are using for long range comp guns.

That said, I'm planning on a 7x47 Lapua in a hunting rig. It gives very comparable speeds as the 7mm-08, especially with bullets up to about the 168 class stuff.

Since I plan on using it in a short action and as a hunting rifle, I feel like it offers all I'm looking for, out to 600 yards, with most shots being inside of 500.

I'm very limited by mag length(Win M70 SA), I love Lapua brass, and from what little I've seen from this case and within those parameters...it seems to fit the bill for me and my purposes for it, nicely.

I did one for @GSPV on a Tikka some years back. Search his posts on it if you think it might interest you. He posted a bit about it here. Impressive speeds and accuracy, particularly for what it is. --Mike
 
I went 7x47 Lapua to shoot the Varmint matches that we shoot around here. I already had a bunch of 7mm barrels after playing with a 284 Shehane for a while. The Shehane is a great cartridge, it was just too much work for what I was doing. If someone wants a super easy, 7mm cartridge to shoot at 600 or less, the 7x47 Lapua or a 7 Creedmoor (set up for Lapua SRP brass) would be hard to beat.

If OTOH, one is looking for a 1,000 yard F-Open cartridge, one is better off, IMHO, looking at a 284 Winchester or one of its improved versions. For an F-Open weight rifle, it occupies a sweet spot in BC/wind fighting vs recoil/drivability.
 
My first F-Open match. (See attached)
Stevens 200 7mm-08, reamed to AI.
Plastic stock stiffened with Bondo.
Action bedded.
EGW 20 MOA scope base.
Vortex Viper aluminium rings.
Sightron 4-20X50 STAC MOA scope.
Knockoff Atlas bipod.
U-Haul shipping blanket mat.

Shooting 140gr Berger VLD-H
PPU brass
Fed 210M primers
Alliant Power Pro 2000 MR powder.
2,832 fps
ES-6
SD-2
 

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I’d go for a 284 over the ‘08
See that's the problem with asking about cartridges. Someone always Trump's it with another. How about the 28 Nosler. Why stop at the 284. Maybe the 284/338 LM. Where does it end. Maybe the 7/08 just fits the bill for a mid range short action round. I personally love it. I prefer 150s for it but 140-162s work perfectly. Even 180s are used in the 7/08 but tend to be a little slow and often need a long action for sure. I own several 284s also and still think there's a place for the 7/08.
 

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