6mm ppc obsolete?
- Thread starter Mark M.
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Lol! It's still the king of short range, especially group. Best is debatable but it's by far and away the most popular in group shooting. Probably about 100 or so to 1 of anything else. Even with those odds, something else does sneak in a win on occasion, though. But obsolete? No, not quite.
DaveTooley
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There would be a considerable amount of work that would go into just equaling the 6PPC. I know I've been down that road several times. Beat it? NEVER The reason is the aggs shot these days are not cartridge dependent. Bullet quality, barrel/bullet relationship and most important the shooters ability determines the outcome.
What makes you say this?
Have you looked at what is winning at SR matches?
Long live the 6PPC. I hope it never dies.
I certainly hope we see the day when it is de-crowned because that would be huge to the game. But as Dave alluded to, the groups are so small now that even if something were better, you won't be able to discern if it's because of the cartridge or the shooter. It's that way now. I think there are cartridges that are equal but you'll never convince the majority of that unless it kicks ass so indisputably that it leaves no doubt. The level at which we are already, makes that virtually impossible. So yes, it'll probably be the king forever...unless like colt45sa said...brass becomes unobtainable and the aggs continue to get smaller with something else. Even then, it would have people 100 years from now saying it was the best ever...even if that info becomes folklore, passed on for generations. It's a remarkable cartridge that came along at the right time and has benefitted from other advancements in the game as well, during its time.
Advancements in cartridges now are so small, they will forever be lost in the noise of more important factors.
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Mark M.
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Even if Lapua fell off of the face of the planet, there will be options or someone else will step up and offer brass for it..or that can be used. That said, I don't think that Lapua is going anywhere soon but they are in a part of the world where they are more concerned about possibly fighting Russia than they are about benchrest shooters. Can't say I blame them. Last I heard, from a reliable source, July 2024 is when to expect brass again. The Russia thing is a fluid situation, so that could change, for better or worse. Until I have reason to believe otherwise, I'll be planning toward July. We can always explore other potential options for brass or chamberings but until we know, what else can we do?
It irks me that with American brass makers out there, we have not seen the same quality from them, yet, as Lapua. I would love a viable American made option...preferably with no or minimal fire forming. Some of these companies have their supporters but unfortunately, in my testing, Lapua is still significantly better than anything else available. I hope someone sees this and accepts it as a challenge to make brass that is at least as good as Lapua, and remind us all that America can still make the best when we try. Maybe we can't but it doesn't seem too far fetched to think we can at least do like China and steal their formula and figure out the process.
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jackieschmidt
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The 6PPC is to Benchrest Shooting what the Small Block Chevy used to be to Hot Rodders.
True, there are other chamberings that might be as accurate, but due to the fact that there is an entire industry built around the PPC, it’s probably going to be hanging around for some time.
True, there are other chamberings that might be as accurate, but due to the fact that there is an entire industry built around the PPC, it’s probably going to be hanging around for some time.
That’s a long time
CJ6
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That's just twisted.......Watch out for that 6.5 Creedmoor!
I think that you have a LOT to learn about the main use of this caliber. It is primarily used for short range group benchrest competition. Probably close to 99% of the competitors shoot this caliber. None of this involves factory ammunition. Most of it involves cases that are made from Lapua .220 Russian brass, VV 133 powder, and Federal 205, or 205M primers. From your question, you seem to not know any of this, which is not a fault, but it does point to the fact that you have a lot to learn, if you want to. I would be glad to help you if that is what you want to do.
Evidently you have not looked carefully enough at the match results to distinguish those that are for 600 and 1000 yard benchrest frrom short range group, which is primarily shot at 100 and 200 yards, with a few at 300. Short range score, by NBRSA and IBS rules gives an advantage to larger calibers, and in those matches, the majority of shooters shoot .30BRs. There is another set of rules for short range group, Ultimate Benchrest, that has different targets for .22, 6mm, and .30 caliber, each with its own scoring ring spacing, so that there is no caliber advantage. There would be no way for you to know it but I have extensive background writing, for money, about short range benchrest shooting, extending back close to 30 years.
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