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6mm BRA Lapua rifle vs 6mm BRA Alpha rifle side by side

Yesterday was a beautiful day. I pulled 3 rifles from a safe and went to my range which used to be my horse pasture. My objectives were to Fire form brass for the Lapua chamber, check zero & pressures on my 6mm Alpha (chambered with Alpha reamer), and check zero on my 6 GT lightweight hunter rifle.

Summary: This was done on my 104 yard range. I’m limited to 300 yards on my range. The rifle chambered with Alex Wheelers reamer that I was fire forming Lapua 6 BR brass using 105 Berger hybrids over 30.0 Varget repeated shot groups that equaled my best ever. I’m calling the .25. Just barely bigger than the bullet. They might be .2. All shooting was done on a bench using just a tripod & no rear bag. No pressure signs.

The rifle chambered with Alpha’s 6 BRA reamer shot good, but not as good. I’m calling the groups 1/2 - 3/4 moa. I was using 30.4 Varget under Berger 105 hybrids. Pressure was indicated by a heavy bolt lift and ejector marks, plus 1 pierced primer. I’ll post a pic later. It looks like from bolt blow back to me. I’ll also compare the 2 chambers using pin gauges. All primers used in all 3 rifles were CCI 450s.

The barrel with the Wheeler reamer fire forming Lapua brass exceeded all expectations with zero signs of pressure. The barrel chamber with the Alpha reamer disappointed with the serious pressure indicators. I need to decide if I’m going to pursue this barrel or not with the pressur. There were no carbon rings. I clean after every shoot whether 15 rounds or after a PRS match. I use a borescope to verify a clean bore.

Details:
Rifle with Wheeler chamber fire forming brass.
Impact 737r, MDT ACC Elite, TT Diamond, Bartlein 28” HV .237, .104 freebore, .272 neck, 8-7.75, 4 groove. 30.0 Varget & Berger 105 hybrids fire forming Lapua brass. Round count at 140. No pressure signs at all & beautiful groups.

Alpha rifle. Impact 737r, Manners T2A Gap, TT Diamond, Krieger 27” M24, .236, .272 neck, 7.5, 4 groove
Rifle with Alpha BRA reamer and Alpha BRA brass shot good groups (not as good as other rifle).

Question:
With pin gauges showing correct size at .200 line why do you think I’m getting pressure at 30.4 in the Alpha chamber with Alpha brass? Is below 30.4 Varget the ceiling with the Alpha chamber?
Velocity FFing brass with 30.0 Varget = 2845 fps. Barrel might speed up a little more.
Velocity with 30.4 Varget in Alpha barrel = 2882 with pressure signs.
Humidity on both powders are 40-45% (controlled environment).
Neither rifle is bedded. I always bed my chassis after I get a baseline on precision without bedding and am sure that I am keeping the chassis.
 

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There will be pressure due to the .236 compared to the .237, but I wouldn’t think it would cause pressure signs. Both groups are 8 shots in new 1o rd mags.
Scopes on both rifles are Leupold MK 5HD 7-35x56.
 
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Because the Alpha brass has less case capacity than the Lapua is my 1st thought?
Is .272 enough neck clearance for the Alpha brass? I know it wasn't for my Peterson.

Would the tighter bore create enough preasure to start you in a scatter node?

Maybe the 236 bore likes a different seating depth?
I wonder how the Lapua shoots in the Alpha chamber?
Lots of unanswered questions....

Both rifles are individual and may not agree with each other, meaning you need to do load work independently from the other.
 
.273 on Alpha fired neck
.271 on Lapua fired neck
I have a reamer print for Alpha that shows .272. Also, the gunsmith texted me .272. Must be an old print. It definitely a .274.
The Lapua chamber is .272 neck
I neck turned my Alpha to .0135 after getting a tight neck where it took force to get a bullet in a fired case.
 
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Because the Alpha brass has less case capacity than the Lapua is my 1st thought?
Is .272 enough neck clearance for the Alpha brass? I know it wasn't for my Peterson.

Would the tighter bore create enough preasure to start you in a scatter node?

Maybe the 236 bore likes a different seating depth?
I wonder how the Lapua shoots in the Alpha chamber?
Lots of unanswered questions....

Both rifles are individual and may not agree with each other, meaning you need to do load work independently from the other.
I don’t know the answer on the bore difference.
I just picked a charge to fireform the Lapua with the bullets 10 off. I always check BTO on bullets before making up barrel.
On the Alpha I had run a powder charge test seeking pressure earlier and didn’t see it a 30.4 then? Can’t tell you why. Seating depth both times 10 off.
 
Check the neck diameter on a loaded alpha round. Also, keep in mind the capacity of alpha BRA is now more like a plain BR.

I have it on good authority you can use Lapua brass in the alpha chamber, just might have to size it first.
Thanks. As long as the gunsmith that chambered the Lapua chamber can keep me in barrels I think I’m going to just use my Lapua brass in his barrels. If I don’t get it figured out about the Alpha chamber I’ll just run lighter loads and use for practice or varmits.

With no load development on the Lapua barrel I see awesome potential. I also have h4895 & rl15.5 to try.
 
I don’t know the answer on the bore difference.
I just picked a charge to fireform the Lapua with the bullets 10 off. I always check BTO on bullets before making up barrel.
On the Alpha I had run a powder charge test seeking pressure earlier and didn’t see it a 30.4 then? Can’t tell you why. Seating depth both times 10 off.
If it were me, I'd load say 29.5 seat everything to same length and start a seating test if 2 ain't touching move on pushing deeper into case
.003 at a time. Once satisfied with seating test groups, give it the gas.

The rifle wants to shoot that's clear, I think you just need minor adjustments.
As both rifles may not like the same seating and charge weight.
I'm still curious how the Lapua shoots in the Alpha chamber
 
Check the neck diameter on a loaded alpha round. Also, keep in mind the capacity of alpha BRA is now more like a plain BR.

I have it on good authority you can use Lapua brass in the alpha chamber, just might have to size it first.
I’ve never shot a BR. I guess I should run another pressure ladder to find a safe load to work with.
 
If it were me, I'd load say 29.5 seat everything to same length and start a seating test if 2 ain't touching move on pushing deeper into case
.003 at a time. Once satisfied with seating test groups, give it the gas.

The rifle wants to shoot that's clear, I think you just need minor adjustments.
As both rifles may not like the same seating and charge weight.
I'm still curious how the Lapua shoots in the Alpha chamber
Sounds like a solid plan…..thanks
To me the Lapua chamber is amazing. I‘ve done zero load development & it shot the 1st group with just a bipod.
I’ve accumulated enough Lapua brass where I can spare some to try in the Alpha chamber.
 
Humm
So Alpha has less powder capacity than Lapua.. to start with- yet you ran it harder than Lapua… makes no sense… I’d expect pierced primers , then.. case head separating will be next…

Or am I wrong???
Gage, I didn’t know the case capacity had changed so much from the earlier Alpha. World records were set prior to this version using much hotter loads running a much higher velocity.

On the Lapua that is just a safe fire forming load as I form 6 BRA from 6 BR brass.

You either didn’t read it all or I probably didn’t word it good. I hope this clarifies for you. If not, please point it out to me And I will try again. Thank you for commenting.
 
Something I need to clarify. I’m fairly new to the smaller BR family of cartridge. These two 6 BRAs are my 1st. Most of my civilian shooting has been with short magnums to magnum type cartridges.
 
Humm
So Alpha has less powder capacity than Lapua.. to start with- yet you ran it harder than Lapua… makes no sense… I’d expect pierced primers , then.. case head separating will be next…

Or am I wrong???
Gabe, I don’t want to derail my own post, but if you shoot a 22BR I would like to pick your brain sometime. I have a heavy 22 GT & have a lightweight fun/varmit 22 GT pretty far along in the works. I have read what I can find on the 22 BR and wondering if it wouldn’t fit my purposes better. Also, wondering if it’s more accurate.
This is a talk for another time if you would share.
 
I have a question on this. So is the JGS Wheeler 6BRA #1 reamer with the newer OCD Alpha brass a problem. Also, how do I know if I have the newer brass for sure, is all OCD labeled brass the new style?

Thanks!
 
Because the Alpha brass has less case capacity than the Lapua is my 1st thought?
Is .272 enough neck clearance for the Alpha brass? I know it wasn't for my Peterson.

Would the tighter bore create enough preasure to start you in a scatter node?

Maybe the 236 bore likes a different seating depth?
I wonder how the Lapua shoots in the Alpha chamber?
Lots of unanswered questions....

Both rifles are individual and may not agree with each other, meaning you need to do load work independently from the other.
Bc’z, on your statement wondering if the Lapua will shoot in the Alpha chamber someone that I have much respect for said I could probably do it using a Harrel’s #4 die.

The Lapua barrel shoots so good without any headaches I’m going to just focus on it moving forward. On the other barrel I am either going to sell it cheap or load it light to use practicing positional shooting & maybe shooting a crow or two. Once it’s gone that experiment will disappear while I focus on the Lapua chamber. That one hole group was shot with a bipod & using my hand on the butt, absolutely no load development while FFing.
I like Alpha in 22 gt, 6 gt, & 25 cm. I thought having that chamber cut with the Alpha reamer I would avoid the troubles that plagued others.

Thanks for all the help from everyone!
Lynn
 

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