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6mm BR vs 6mm PPC for 100-300 yd

nksmfamjp

I have an idea to break into some local benchrest that is going to sound kind of whacked.

I will eventually build a 6.5-06AI in the next say 3-5 years. So, I’m thinking why not buy that action today (interchangeable bolt face) for a test drive into short range Ohio benchrest. Then if I love it, add a real benchrest action to the stable and separate off the hunting action. If I’m blah with it, sell off components and build hunting rifle.

So, I’m learning, new to BR, etc, etc. Total amateur, except I know how to make good ammo and shoot it reasonably well....not to br levels yet.

If I were to start with 6 br, everything is a bit easier/cheaper than 6 ppc. Is 6 br capable of being competitive at 100 yds as I learn to be competitive? Are there any reasons not to get in with 6 br? I’m guessing I would shoot similar bullets to the ppc. What twist 1:14”?

i guess I’m trying to confirm the br is good enough, until I’m good enough.
 
I would suggest buying a 6ppc if you are looking at shooting 66-68g bullets at 1-300 in a 13.5 twist. If you don't like it just sell the whole gun. If you are going to shoot off a bipod then maybe you would be best served with the 6br in a faster twist for the 105ish g bullets but I don't think I would build one on the long action you will be using for your future 06. If you are going to purchase a front rest and rear bag the ppc IMO would be your best bet.......I noticed this morning there was a real nice one for sale in a drop port over in the classifieds.

Regards
Rick
 
Imo, the wisest approach is to buy good, used but competitive equipment at a fair price. If you buy it right, you dont stand to lose much and might even come out a tad bit ahead if you sell it later.
As to the br vs ppc...You're comments imply that you believe a ppc is the way to go because you're questioning if a br can hang with it.
So, from a confidence standpoint, you're already beat if you dont trust your equipment.

I recommend you search here and other sites for good used equipment. I give the same advice to most everyone looking at getting into it. It also gives the added benefit of seeing how the rifle has performed in matches, head to head.
 
Bob White, the owner of The Shooters Corner, normally has good used short range bench rest rifles in stock. I understand he is a little low at the moment, but check out his web site and if you see something you llike give him a call as I believe he is behind in updating it.

The 6BR is certainly a little easier to get into. I have seen plenty of people shooting the Savage Benchrest model in 6BR. 6PPC though is the winningest short range caliber for group and 30BR is a favorite of score shooters.

I shoot a 6BR in Factory Class (non-sanctioned) and have yet to shoot my 6PPC in a registered meet.

I shoot 90-107s in an 8 twist 6BR and 60-65 grainers in a 13.5 twist 6PPC.

Bob
 
nksmfamjp said:
I have an idea to break into some local benchrest that is going to sound kind of whacked.

I will eventually build a 6.5-06AI in the next say 3-5 years. So, I’m thinking why not buy that action today (interchangeable bolt face) for a test drive into short range Ohio benchrest. Then if I love it, add a real benchrest action to the stable and separate off the hunting action. If I’m blah with it, sell off components and build hunting rifle.

So, I’m learning, new to BR, etc, etc. Total amateur, except I know how to make good ammo and shoot it reasonably well....not to br levels yet.

If I were to start with 6 br, everything is a bit easier/cheaper than 6 ppc. Is 6 br capable of being competitive at 100 yds as I learn to be competitive? Are there any reasons not to get in with 6 br? I’m guessing I would shoot similar bullets to the ppc. What twist 1:14”?

i guess I’m trying to confirm the br is good enough, until I’m good enough.
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There is a reason its all Ppc in match results for short range group. The recent Tack driver comp was won by ppc at 300. Life's full of choices.
 
rkittine said:
Bob White, the owner of The Shooters Corner, normally has good used short range bench rest rifles in stock. I understand he is a little low at the moment, but check out his web site and if you see something you llike give him a call as I believe he is behind in updating it.

The 6BR is certainly a little easier to get into. I have seen plenty of people shooting the Savage Benchrest model in 6BR. 6PPC though is the winningest short range caliber for group and 30BR is a favorite of score shooters.

I shoot a 6BR in Factory Class (non-sanctioned) and have yet to shoot my 6PPC in a registered meet.

I shoot 90-107s in an 8 twist 6BR and 60-65 grainers in a 13.5 twist 6PPC.

Bob
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+1 on Shooters Corner, always best to call as he has items that are not on that list.
 
I believe except at the highest level of competition you are competitive with a br built to the same level, with the same attention to loading that you would give to a ppc. I firmly believe you can achieve more competitive results with a turn neck rifle as opposed to a no turn. No turn is for those wishing for less work as opposed to competitive results. Advantage of a br would be easier to go to a fast twist barrel to shoot heavier 105 class builds for longer range with enough boiler room for powder. If your committed to max 300 yds I would say 6ppc.
 
Please elaborate on the disadvantages of using a long action with a short action case/caliber...
 
sdean said:
It would mean nothing. Aggs count. I'm talking short range group. 1 time out of how many. I'm with Dusty, a used ppc gun would be a great learning experience.
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Don't forget the vice versa part? ;)
If it means nothing for a br to win in a field full of ppcs,(and yes, an agg or even a grand) would it still mean nothing if a ppc won in a field of BR's, or would there be a bunch of "told ya so's"? If there were 99 BR's and a ppc, who ya betting on and who's shooting the lone ppc?o_O Lets say it's me!

The reference to a ppc winning the takdriver was not meaningful, as from what
I heard of the conditions, the SHOOTER won that match. It's an endless and pointless debate, I suppose. As to the group comment...Most people that I talk to that shoot both group and score, say score is harder. I think they're both tough and have their own nuances. Most importantly, their both fun and involve a lot of great folks.

edit...I do think we need more matches like the takdriver, where various disciplines come together and have fun.
 
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nksmfamjp said:
I have an idea to break into some local benchrest that is going to sound kind of whacked.

I will eventually build a 6.5-06AI in the next say 3-5 years. So, I’m thinking why not buy that action today (interchangeable bolt face) for a test drive into short range Ohio benchrest. Then if I love it, add a real benchrest action to the stable and separate off the hunting action. If I’m blah with it, sell off components and build hunting rifle.

So, I’m learning, new to BR, etc, etc. Total amateur, except I know how to make good ammo and shoot it reasonably well....not to br levels yet.

If I were to start with 6 br, everything is a bit easier/cheaper than 6 ppc. Is 6 br capable of being competitive at 100 yds as I learn to be competitive? Are there any reasons not to get in with 6 br? I’m guessing I would shoot similar bullets to the ppc. What twist 1:14”?

i guess I’m trying to confirm the br is good enough, until I’m good enough.
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I think you answered your own questions.
 
gunsandgunsmithing said:
Don't forget the vice versa part? ;)
If it means nothing for a br to win in a field full of ppcs,(and yes, an agg or even a grand) would it still mean nothing if a ppc won in a field of BR's, or would there be a bunch of "told ya so's"? If there were 99 BR's and a ppc, who ya betting on and who's shooting the lone ppc?o_O Lets say it's me!

The reference to a ppc winning the takdriver was not meaningful, as from what
I heard of the conditions, the SHOOTER won that match. It's an endless and pointless debate, I suppose. As to the group comment...Most people that I talk to that shoot both group and score, say score is harder. I think they're both tough and have their own nuances. Most importantly, their both fun and involve a lot of great folks.

edit...I do think we need more matches like the takdriver, where various disciplines come together and have fun.
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I agree with your post except for the last sentence. The tackdriver was a shortrange shoot they invited long range shooters too. Short range rules at short range. I like the concept but the disciplines have become so specialized I am not sure it's doable. Once again, bring your ppc and 30 br and shoot a 1000 yd match. Who are you kidding. Be satisfied to do well in your chosen discipline or gear up and try your hand at another one. The crossover from long to short is somewhat possible. The reverse, short to long is not. So let's compromise, 300 yds, sight in period then no return to sighters, 3 range winflags on either side of firing line, no other personal windflags. A short range with long range rules, it's doable. The reverse, long range 1000yds, with short range guns and rules is not doable.
 
JEFFPPC said:
I agree with your post except for the last sentence. The tackdriver was a shortrange shoot they invited long range shooters too. Short range rules at short range. I like the concept but the disciplines have become so specialized I am not sure it's doable. Once again, bring your ppc and 30 br and shoot a 1000 yd match. Who are you kidding. Be satisfied to do well in your chosen discipline or gear up and try your hand at another one. The crossover from long to short is somewhat possible. The reverse, short to long is not. So let's compromise, 300 yds, sight in period then no return to sighters, 3 range winflags on either side of firing line, no other personal windflags. A short range with long range rules, it's doable. The reverse, long range 1000yds, with short range guns and rules is not doable.
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They took nothing away from a score match and everything from a long range shooter. What if they shot both score and group on one target and took away going back to the sighter ??? ... jim
 
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I gave a 6br a decent effort this past year with plans to shoot it at 300 meters
it did good but just couldn’t nail any really small groups when the conditions were there for it
the ppc at 3500fps is pretty hard to beat at 300
 
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