6mm 108 Eldm... no love

[newbieshooter]

I have no idea where you are buying 108 Bergers that are "significantly cheaper" than 42 cents. Not lately... maybe 10 years ago.

I just bought 1000 108 Berger’s for 42 cents minus shipping a month ago from a online distributor. If I member correctly they charged me like $20 for shipping

 

[lawrence97]

I tried these in a 6br and they were not accurate at all. 1/2” on average out of a rifle that typically shoots .1-.2” groups. They are good for plinking or shooting steel. It all depends on what your accuracy requirements are. I don’t put much trust in a wallet group or these small sample size groups that are posted. I need it to shoot small for an extended round count in fclass and 3 rounds isn’t enough.
I also experienced the same mediocre results out of my 7mm fclass rifle. They have good published BC’s but that doesn’t matter if they aren’t accurate. If your intentions are to compete at the highest level I do not think these Hornady’s are the ticket to success which might explain why they sit on a shelf longer.

 

[moorepower]

My Savage 12 with a Shilen prechambered barrel and a SAV2 triggerr shoots factory loaded 6CM match ammo in the low .4's The first time out with the rifle the factory ammo put 4 in a row at 1000yds that would have all killed a Pdog. I would hope that with some tuning, I would be able to improve on the low .4's. I want to use it for longer rang Pdogs, so I will keep using them.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Just to settle the curiosity. For the 108 ELDM, my cost is $31.75 per 100. So, after credit card fees, software fess etc, etc I make about 6 bucks a box.

The same thing happened when I had my guitar store. I could order Dimarzio pickups from the Guitar Center cheaper than I could order them from Dimarzio, and Dimarzio told me "tough sh#t".

And then Guitar Center/Music123 pretty much ran every local guitar shop out of business...

Sooo... keep bragging about how cheap you can buy blah blah blah...

 

[J.d. Popkes]

Just to settle the curiosity. For the 108 ELDM, my cost is $31.75 per 100. So, after credit card fees, software fess etc, etc I make about 6 bucks a box.

The same thing happened when I had my guitar store. I could order Dimarzio pickups from the Guitar Center cheaper than I could order them from Dimarzio, and Dimarzio told me "tough sh#t".

And then Guitar Center/Music123 pretty much ran every local guitar shop out of business...

Sooo... keep bragging about how cheap you can buy blah blah blah...

I can only speak for myself here, I was answering your question, in the thread title, when you asked “why no love”, as in why aren’t these jumping off the shelf. I don’t want to be perceived as a bragger. If I looked into it and could buy them for 30¢ I’d probably try to make them work. I don’t envy retail businesses, I’m sure it’s frustrating.

have a good one!!

 

[spudgun]

105, 6mm, ELD"S for me.

 

[JLT]

I think the 108 ELD-M is a fine bullet. I've never had one come apart in flight and they shoot tight with a little bit of work.

Based on my experience, they measure with commendable consistency, especially considering the price. They don't shoot quite as well as the 105 Hybrids out of a couple of my 6mm barrels but I have a Dasher, a 6XC and a .243 AI that shoot them just as well as the Hybrid.

As for the integrity question, I've pushed hundreds of them over 3,300 fps out of a .243 AI 1:8 with no failures and the barrel has about 1,200 rounds through it.

Anyhow, I like them just fine.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I think the 108 ELD-M is a fine bullet. I've never had one come apart in flight and they shoot tight with a little bit of work.

Based on my experience, they measure with commendable consistency, especially considering the price. They don't shoot quite as well as the 105 Hybrids out of a couple of my 6mm barrels but I have a Dasher, a 6XC and a .243 AI that shoot them just as well as the Hybrid.

As for the integrity question, I've pushed hundreds of them over 3,300 fps out of a .243 AI 1:8 with no failures and the barrel has about 1,200 rounds through it.

Anyhow, I like them just fine.

Great post thank you.

What was the "work"?

 

[Rob01]

I took it as load work. Nothing you can really do to the bullet.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I took it as load work. Nothing you can really do to the bullet.

Phrased another way, "what worked"?

 

[Rob01]

H4350 worked great in my rifle with the 108s. 41grns in Hornady brass at .020” off lands. That’s right around the 2.800 mark with SAAMI .183 freebore chamber.

 

[Djfergus]

I hear alot of negative feedback about eldms. Personally, I haven't saw it. I've shot a couple different bergers, 107 sierras, and 108 elds. So far, the elds have been most consistent for me. I haven't tried the 105 hybrid yet but I'm about to.

 

[JLT]

Phrased another way, "what worked"?

I found them to be more particular about seating depth than the Hybrids. And it was a little bit of work. The .243 AI shoots them acceptably across a wide range but it will put them into little, tiny knots .025 - .032 off. The XC likes them best at .015 off and the Dasher's magic number is .030 off.

The Bergers will shoot very well in all three seated .012 - .015 off. The Dasher barrel will shoot some breathtaking groups .007 into the lands but I don't do jam for competition. Or hunting.