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6BRA Alpha Brass question

Alex Wheeler said:
Yes. That was my advice. Call it something else. Put it on the description it wont work in BRA chambers.
Trust me, Im willing to work with anyone to bring better stuff to our game. I have done a lot of that work. I dont get paid. I just like to see groups get smaller. But when it hurts me because I recomended something that ends up not working it makes me very hesitant going forward.
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I've got a lot of respect for a man that will tell you the truth even when it could present himself in a bad light. In my opinion you bear no fault in this matter what so ever. I'm appreciative of the work you and others do to support our common endeavors as competitors and shooters and as far as this particular brass manufacturer is concerned they can find another market for their products a little further down in the earth..... John
 
x47Mike said:
I don't think you will find a saami spec on this cartridge
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Exactly my point!!
Yet here we are with the "herd" criticizing Alpha Munitions because their 6BRA brass doesn't work in "the BRA Chamber" so whose chamber? yours, mine, Alex, Bart, etc. etc. etc. Certainly not a SAAMI spec chamber because it's a wildcat. Let's just assume the original 6BRA wildcat was developed off of 6BR Lapua brass, probably with a variety of reamers and subsequent testing to arrive at some "magic" spec. It seemed to enjoy some success in competition creating demand such that Alpha Munitions decided to produce it, leading to some success, but also some apparent issues. There are thousands of posts on our forum regarding differences in metallurgy, weight, volume and measurements for a particular SAAMI cartridge depending on the manufacturer of said brass and that these differences must be taken into account when developing loads, ultimate performance, etc. Shouldn't we expect the same differences with Alpha vs Lapua??

What came first the chicken or the egg? You get the brass and then figure out the reamer/chamber through testing. Was the expectation that Alpha would perform to the same velocity-accuracy-durability as Lapua?? Wouldn't it be more realistic based on what we know dealing with SAAMI cartridges that different manufacture's brass all act independently?
 
How many brass manufacturers make brass for non saami cartridges. So they sell the brass without the disclaimer it will only work with their reamer. Let's talk about what came first. Almost all reamers are based off the Wheeler design. All anyone is stating is that if you are going to sell it and charge a premium price...make the note that it's will only work with the Alpha reamer. I assume you are somehow affiliated with Alpha, with your response. 308 brass is 2 grains less than Federal and flat primers. It's not just the 6Bra...it's all junk imo. I have purchase 3 different calibers and have yet to fire 1 piece based on my initial inspection of the brass. High price junk! All will be sold. If I can find a buyer. 6.5x47 had thin neck walls.. .01085...and Tom wanted nothing to do with replacing it or even seeing it. Poor poor customer service!
 
The beef isn't that they made it their way. They can certainly do that if they want. The beef is that they made it one way which worked in the BRA chambers being discussed, in some instances worked really well and was used to set a number of records, then changed it dimensionally to where it wouldn't work in the same chambers and did so without feeling the need to mention it to anyone. Again, certainly within their right. It just isn't very customer friendly.

I am starting to come to the opinion that if Lapua doesn't make brass for it, I don't want to shoot it. I recently picked up a 25-06. I have some Nosler brass, some Hornady brass, and some PVRI brass. I'm not sure the PVRI isn't the best of the 3. I seriously considered forming brass from another cartridge that Lapua makes.
 
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6BR Norma is saami right?

I would assume the BRA reamers we all mostly used would have the same .200 line specs? If so, easy to replicate.

And like was said, it worked great then it changed...our reamers didn't.

Now we essentially have a 6 BRA Lapua and a 6 BRA Alpha...if you specd a reamer to work with Alpha.
 
Dos XX said:
The beef isn't that they made it their way. They can certainly do that if they want. The beef is that they made it one way which worked in the BRA chambers being discussed, in some instances worked really well and was used to set a number of records, then changed it dimensionally to where it wouldn't work in the same chambers and did so without feeling the need to mention it to anyone. Again, certainly within their right. It just isn't very customer friendly.

I am starting to come to the opinion that if Lapua doesn't make brass for it, I don't want to shoot it. I recently picked up a 25-06. I have some Nosler brass, some Hornady brass, and some PVRI brass. I'm not sure the PVRI isn't the best of the 3. I seriously considered forming brass from another cartridge that Lapua makes.
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Exactly!!!!
 
lawman29 said:
Exactly my point!!
Yet here we are with the "herd" criticizing Alpha Munitions because their 6BRA brass doesn't work in "the BRA Chamber" so whose chamber? yours, mine, Alex, Bart, etc. etc. etc. Certainly not a SAAMI spec chamber because it's a wildcat. Let's just assume the original 6BRA wildcat was developed off of 6BR Lapua brass, probably with a variety of reamers and subsequent testing to arrive at some "magic" spec. It seemed to enjoy some success in competition creating demand such that Alpha Munitions decided to produce it, leading to some success, but also some apparent issues. There are thousands of posts on our forum regarding differences in metallurgy, weight, volume and measurements for a particular SAAMI cartridge depending on the manufacturer of said brass and that these differences must be taken into account when developing loads, ultimate performance, etc. Shouldn't we expect the same differences with Alpha vs Lapua??

What came first the chicken or the egg? You get the brass and then figure out the reamer/chamber through testing. Was the expectation that Alpha would perform to the same velocity-accuracy-durability as Lapua?? Wouldn't it be more realistic based on what we know dealing with SAAMI cartridges that different manufacture's brass all act independently?
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The BRA spec is my reamer, we named it BRA. There are many other BR improveds out there.
 
New guy thinking out loud... I've got 2 rifles getting chambered. 6 dasher with a manson reamer, and a 6bra in jgs #1 wheeler. The body dimensions on dasher reamer shows .471. I've got new alpha brass for both. After reading this thread I'm not going to use the bra brass, but Maybe I can false shoulder and use in the dasher? Luckily I have lapua I can fireform in bra.
 
What I am curious about is whether they made a conscious decision to change the dimension(s) before they made this brass, or if the dimension(s) changed without a conscious decision being made, and they are reacting to that.
 
Rubberduckie said:
New guy thinking out loud... I've got 2 rifles getting chambered. 6 dasher with a manson reamer, and a 6bra in jgs #1 wheeler. The body dimensions on dasher reamer shows .471. I've got new alpha brass for both. After reading this thread I'm not going to use the bra brass, but Maybe I can false shoulder and use in the dasher? Luckily I have lapua I can fireform in bra.
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Keep in mind it's being reported and my experience the BRA brass has shoulders bumped about .010 more than they should be.Virgin Brass!
 
So if the issue is the head slamming into the bolt face , could we false shoulder the alpha bra brass to get a crush fit like when fire forming br brass? Would that do anything to make the alpha brass expand?
 
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