6BR brass life - old box vs. Blue ???
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I haven't noticed any difference. I'm using blue box Lapua now and they have 20+ plus firings on them. Brian Brown.
I hate to be a wet blanket on a budding conversation here, but there is no difference in the composition of the "new" blue box and "old" cardboard box Lapua brass. There was a very minor adjustment (roughly .0004"-.0005" per side) to the neck thickness, but that's it. The change there was neccessitated by CIP regs, and keeping all of our loaded ammo in this caliber within their industry specs. Where we had been traditionally running this caliber at the high end of the specifications for neck thickness, with the inevitable result that some individual pieces wouldn't pass neck gaging. As a result the thickness was adjusted to run closer to the middle of the CIP specification. This adjustment took place at roughly the same time as we went to the new plastic boxes, but that was purely a coincidence, and nothing can be accurately inferred from whether the brass comes in plastic or cardboard boxes.
As far as the alloy used in the "new" and "old" brass, it hasn't changed, and remains exactly the same specification, period. With all due respect, and putting this as diplomaitcally as I can, the test results posted here, are inaccurate. I've sent the article to our metalurgical dept and QC folks back in Finland, and they've confirmed this to me directly. Again, no difference what so ever in the alloy between "new" and "old".
As far as the alloy used in the "new" and "old" brass, it hasn't changed, and remains exactly the same specification, period. With all due respect, and putting this as diplomaitcally as I can, the test results posted here, are inaccurate. I've sent the article to our metalurgical dept and QC folks back in Finland, and they've confirmed this to me directly. Again, no difference what so ever in the alloy between "new" and "old".
Hi Larry,
Been discussed, but don't go holding your breath just now. Actually, we've taken far more requests for the 7mm SAUM. It's not on the scheduled yet either. Hang in there, and I'll gladly keep you posted.
Been discussed, but don't go holding your breath just now. Actually, we've taken far more requests for the 7mm SAUM. It's not on the scheduled yet either. Hang in there, and I'll gladly keep you posted.
Kevin how about some 221 fire ball BRASS
North Fork,
Actually, the 221 FireBall is right up at the top of the list right now. That's probably the one case that I've taken/heard more requests for than any other. Been mentioned several times to the Finns, and they do seem interested. They'll be here for the SHOT show in Vegas, and then Adam and I will see them again in Nurmeburg, Germany for the IWA show. I'm certain this will be a hot topic at both shows.
Out of curiosity (and to bolster my argument when we discuss this with them) are you interested in this case as a 221FB, or are you wanting to use it as a parent for some wildcatting/case forming? So far, I've probably heard from as many guys wanting the case to use as a parent as I have wanting to actually load it as a 221.
Actually, the 221 FireBall is right up at the top of the list right now. That's probably the one case that I've taken/heard more requests for than any other. Been mentioned several times to the Finns, and they do seem interested. They'll be here for the SHOT show in Vegas, and then Adam and I will see them again in Nurmeburg, Germany for the IWA show. I'm certain this will be a hot topic at both shows.
Out of curiosity (and to bolster my argument when we discuss this with them) are you interested in this case as a 221FB, or are you wanting to use it as a parent for some wildcatting/case forming? So far, I've probably heard from as many guys wanting the case to use as a parent as I have wanting to actually load it as a 221.
Another vote for 7 RSAUM brass here...
Yep...I'll bet there are 200 -7 SUAM rifles out there to one 6ppc...that's why it is high on their list and...probably 500 -7 SUAM to one 30BR in the target rifle world...but the Lapua folks got .221 and 7 SUAM up there high on their list.. ??? ??? ??? ??? 
...I wonder why Lapua makes a special effort to ignore short range benchrest... 
...I wonder why Lapua makes a special effort to ignore short range benchrest... jonbearman
I live in new york state,how unfortunate !
Isnt it amazing how rumors start about brass changing just because the box is blue.It is almost a fact that when packaging change's someone starts a complete falsehood about the product.I am so glad that Kevin straightened this out.
eww1250, I don't get where you think Lapua is ignoring short range BR. They make the best 220 Russian on the planet and the best 6BR Norma. What is it that you want them to make for short range BR?
I don't think anyone seriously shoots a 220 russian or 6BR in short range BR...why can't they make 6ppc and 30BR cases...the two MOST popular cases..
They even make the 6.5 Grendel...yep that one is a world wide accepted case for what NATO...and my most favorite Target rifle brass 22-250...!...I just don't see the need for high quality 22-250 brass for hunting applications...
In my opinion...the Lapua reps in the US should be pressing for something for us.. (short range BR)...
I remember 30+ years ago having to make 6mmBR brass from 7mmBR and 308 UBR cases...because Remington thought the 7mmBR was the "hot" marketing ticket...Yep...it sure took off and became the "bread and butter" for them didn't it...try to compare its sales volume to the 6BR today...I'd say marketing is missing the boat again...
They even make the 6.5 Grendel...yep that one is a world wide accepted case for what NATO...and my most favorite Target rifle brass 22-250...!...I just don't see the need for high quality 22-250 brass for hunting applications...
In my opinion...the Lapua reps in the US should be pressing for something for us.. (short range BR)...
I remember 30+ years ago having to make 6mmBR brass from 7mmBR and 308 UBR cases...because Remington thought the 7mmBR was the "hot" marketing ticket...Yep...it sure took off and became the "bread and butter" for them didn't it...try to compare its sales volume to the 6BR today...I'd say marketing is missing the boat again...
I guess making 30BR out of 6BR and 6PPC out of 220 Russian is a very difficult task for some. It's about as easy as eating lettuce for others. There are several vendors selling prepared brass.
I remember when nearly everyone shooting Metallic Silhouette used the 7BR.
There are plenty of people shooting the 6PPC in short range BR. It's called Group.
Maybe you should apply as Director of Marketing at Lapua.
I remember when nearly everyone shooting Metallic Silhouette used the 7BR.
There are plenty of people shooting the 6PPC in short range BR. It's called Group.
Maybe you should apply as Director of Marketing at Lapua.
eww1350 said:
I think Ed Shilen was shooting the straight 220 Russian at group BR..and I Shoot the 6BR at group and score, now I'm not a big time shooter or anything like that, but i think quite a few others shoot the 6BR at score. and now at UBR.
But i get what you are saying, why not just make a good 6ppc case straight up. I guess you would still fire form it to your chamber anyway.as I do with 6BR cases. I think most after that kind of accuracy are use to doing case work and having things matched to their rifles. and if they made 30BR cases, 6BR and 30BR cases would cost us shooters much more money.
George Kelbly has been shooting a 220 Russian in group for years. Gene Beggs also slightly modified the Russian case to the 220 Beggs.
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